[Suggestion] Flak buff? Is it time to rebalance tank cannons?

Before all this talk about optimization, SOE was talking about changing flak armor to factor in direct hits. This means you'll be able to survive direct hits from a tank cannon. I actually think this is a good change, but it should be a bit more specific than that. They should rebalance tanks cannons with it.

HE: Let's be honest, right now it's pretty bad (unless your a prowler). In the current state your better off just using HEAT for the better projectile velocity and reload speed. So here is how you can change it: Make the splash damage one hit kill infantry again unless they have flak armor, and make it do significantly less damage if they have flak armor. This will give people a reason to use HE again.

AP: In addition to being armor piercing against enemy tanks, make it also armor piercing against infantry. This means that it should ignore flak armor allowing you to 1 hit kill infantry, while maintaining it's inability to do splash damage to infantry. That way, there will still be a reason to use AP against infantry and not only pull it for very specific situations.

HEAT: These should stay about where they are, but without the ability to 1 shot people with flak armor. It will still be the best all arounder like it's meant to be.

I believe these changes will make all of the tank cannons more specialized, like they should have been at the beginning of the game, and will bring about a good balance between tanks and infantry. Thoughts and suggestions?

I think each cannon should have different rates of fire as well. Like AP should have the fastest while HE has the slowest but also make HE do lots more splash damage.

A direct tank hit wont kill an infantry? wth...

in such a simple system where you can not disable vehicles (you instead just zero out their health) yeah, such a pathetic handicap is needed for balance.

I like it, OP. I like it a lot.

Ok but make the splash the same size than HEAT and divide its direct damages per 2 to makes it borderline useless against every vehicles (but flashes maybe)

Getting larger splash and OHK splah would certainly be too strong.

BTW, actual HE turrets wouldn't be so terrible if they would get the same reload than HEAT/AP turrets. Spash+reload nerf was certainlt a bit too hard (but on the lightning where the HE is still ok).

As far as i know, the flak armor buff is explicitly supposed to work for dumbfire rockets and UBGL's.

Either way this stuff already on PTS so download it and ask someone to shoot you with various things.

No.
The way the bases are if we went back to one hit kill splash then its becomes unplayable for infantry.
If the bases were actually defendable, then yes. Its too easy to spam into buildings and kill people who dont plan on fighting vehicles and thus do not wear flak

The flak change is stupid. You should always die to a direct tank round.

A direct hit to an infantry required skill. There are multiple ways infantry can deal with vehicles

A tank should be stronger than infantry, this is just ridiculous

Too stubborn to take off your precious nanoweave Bill? I agree that they should remodel the bases on top of all this. But HE is just ridiculously UP right now. As far as saying you should always die to a direct tank round. Why is that? Sure, it might be realistic, but this isn't a realistic game. Balance is #1.

lol what ? So someone who is skilled enough to hit a small moving object shoudnt get a kill, but the derp with HE gets to spam into buildings killing people who are focused on capping ? they should get one shot by him?

I said splash would be balanced if the bases didnt allow spamming into them. They are not.

I don't care about realism. I think someone who can aim should be rewarded.

So, use AP. With my suggestion, (if you use AP) you will be able to 1 shot all infantry even with flak armor and you will have the best anti tank cannon as well. HE would under perform against infantry with flak armor, and against other tanks.

I remember a video I saw where this Infantry man survived a direct tank shell to the face... said nobody ever.

I see HE all the time, Generally on lightnings and MBTs that spam spawn rooms.

It is High Explosive, It is meant to do less damage vs Tanks and more vs Infantry. The reason no one uses it anymore is because its splash damage was nerfed and you practically need a direct hit to 1 shot people (hence why not use HEAT or AP).

So you want an Anti Tank round to 1HK infantry instead of its counterpart designed specifically for anti infantry.

I dont think so. The balance at the moment makes sense. If rocket launchers* and Maxes can 1 shot people with direct hits why should tanks not be able to? Especially after the Map changes Tanks are practically useless.

I disagree. I think tanks effectiveness should remain the same, as they have practically no effect on combat. I thought the Flak changes were more to help people survive air splash damage (which it currently does really well, especially combined with a heavy sheild) I guess people wont be happy until vehicles cost all your rescources and are deathboxes.

Atm 1 well placed Light Assault and a Tank is a moving coffin. ESFs and 1 Heavy who can Aim are flying coffins. Libs? They are horrible until you dump 1000+ certs into them (Like Tanks and ESFs) but after that Libs are Unstoppable in the right hands.

Sorry I couldn't be more constructive, It just seems like another un-needed balance patch. The first one made sense as tanks would spam all the points and into windows and stuff, Now with the base redesigns I am very rarely killed by a tank (unless im specifically going out trying to C4 or rocket launcher it (Usually its when im in the open on a flash or in a tank myself)).

* Edit: Just read this

That makes more sense.

You still dont get it. The bases and terrain are not balanced to allow for splash to be one hitting someone not in flak. You dont care about balance you want to start farming again.

it requires less skill than being a sniper because you can shoot in the masses and hit something. And with the reduction to all damage due to nano armor, yeah you won't get any sympathy for me.

No - ignoring flak is just plain bad! The flak armor change is much needed for AV MAXes to be more viable.

As it stands today, they're dead in next to zero time from direct hits from tanks. And their TTK on tanks is much higher.

All MBT cannons should be able to OHK an infantry player on a direct hit. Tanks have been neutered enough already.

You don't seem to understand that flak armor would fix that. Look at my stats, and see how much farming I have done. Your argument is invalid.

I'm mainly on the receiving end of tank shells and I feel the balance is pretty good. If a tank sees me when I'm doing a bad as Rambo run with my Decimator, then I'm dead. The splash hurts and is enough to make me run away and hide. A direct hit should be instant death.

The buff in tank armour from a couple of updates ago was rather neat actually. The only thing they messed up was the Phalanx. They kept their health meaning they are now much less powerful against vehicles. They were borderline too weak before and now they are definitely too weak. A stationary turret really should win a 1 on 1 with a tank which is not currently the case.

Why should I have to wear flak when Im focusing on capping, fighting in small buildings, or tight areas? Just because McDerp with his HE tank is sipping soda and spamming into the base?