I actually stopped paying attention because I am getting a little sick and tired of pointless debates.... But what the hell... Correction, SMGs are effective at short range. In CQC they are outclassed by all other possible choices that are geared for CQC (especially shotguns). In short range, they are still out classed by all weapons except where it comes to rounds per magazine (which only applies to the high capacity SMGs). They are full on paper weights well before you hit medium range. SMGs are actually the single least versatile weapons imaginable. And given that shotguns (and to some extent SMGs) force you into situations where LA lose all their advantages, such as indoors and confined spaces. These weapons are actually bad for you. The only time I've noticed either of these weapons working well for me are in tower hops and situations I purposely put myself in (often repeatedly dying in the process). These weapons just aren't worth the trouble you go through to use them effectively. Decent CQC/Medium range carbines are a far better option for LA abilities/possible tactics then weapons better used by HA with their over shields.