Does SOE hate the Vanu?

The most important thing. NC = America, NC = Terrorists what could it mean

Wait WHAT???? I'M SKILLED?

I would say the magrider is a hit or miss design, but it seems like SOE put all of VS power into like 2 weapons. Dying to massive PPA spam and orions levels the playing field a tad. Although I think no faction should rely solely on specific weapons to have an advantage, like NC's "shotguns for everything" design.

according to forumside, SOE hates NC. but then again, according to forumside SOE hates TR.

and then again like you pointed out, SOE apparently hates the VS as well.

i don't know what to think.

No SOE doesn't hate VS. VS just seem to have a lot of players who think they are the best FPS players in the universe and the only reason they don't beat/Die to the other factions is because other factions have better weapons.

NC comes 2nd and TR seem to have the least whiny players.

Do you remember ZOE? VS had ZOE for such a long period because SOE was trying to boost VS numbers. They also did it so people on other factions would switch and purchase the VS max weapons and Camos. Guess what it worked and VS pop went high and SOE only changed it after numbers started to drop due to people leaving because of ZOE from other factions.

VS for whatever reason tends to have lower pop and only get pop if they get something that turns them into god mode (ZOE). I think a lot of VS whine because they want the days of high pop back and think by whining enough they will get the ZOE days back.

The game is the most balanced it has been at the moment. VS have good stuff, TR have good stuff and NC also have good stuff. No faction is at a disadvantage if you learn the strong points and weakness of each faction and play to them.

How ignorant can one person be.....

Lets look at the facts:

1. VS have worse infantry weapons by stats and recoil patterns
2. VS have the worse MBT cannon by stats
3. VS are the only faction without a feasible faction trait
4. VS weapons look like they should excel at range, but actually suck at it
5. Bullet drop can be easily countered with minimal skill, you can't change the damage of your weapon to 200 per shot via skill. You cannot increase the RoF or Mag size of your weapon via skill.
6. There is no situation where Reload speed is better then Higher RoF, Larger Mags, more damage, or even higher velocities. (Only situation is if our average reload speed was 3-4s quicker but it's not)
7. VS have the worst ES sniper
8. VS have the worst ES heavy weapon
9. Magrider is losing the only unique aspect it had since everyone is getting it


10. NC has the BEST MAX
11. NC has the BEST LMG
12. NC now has the BEST MBT
13. NC has weapons that are better then VS at all damage per shot values
14. NC has the best ES sniper rifle
15. NC has the BEST AR
16. need I go on?

The only time you see VS pop actually rise is 4th factioneers, like you said when something good is released, or something is changed into something good.

However if You have (A) Faction where 90% of their arsenal is great, (B) Faction where 65% of their arsenal is great, and (C) Faction where 30% of their arsenal is great......... obviously if (C) faction gets 1-3 powerful items in their arsenal they are gonna seem even that much more powerful from across the fence (EX: ZOE) because the fourth factioneers are used to everything else on (C) faction being trash.

I laughed so much I almost fell of my chair. I play VS, have you heard of the weapon called the Orion by chance? The weapon THAT IN MY OPINION IS THE HANDS DOWN BEST INFANTRY WEAPON IN THE GAME.

I haven't played TR so cannot comment on their weapons but VS do not lack good weapons or traits. When playing VS as infantry I love not having to deal with Mag's, the hardest to hit tank in the game. ( Missiles can go under it!!! It can go places infantry cannot.)

I suggest you go and play NC for a couple of months then come back and read your post. To people who get stomped by NC maxes come and play them on NC and then you will notice their downsides.

I don't think VS should loss the Orion or have it nerfed or any NC weapons buffed, because it balances out the ES weapon which is more of a team play weapon then 1 v 1 weapon.

I ask you Vikarius, do you think NC weapons are overpowered or do you think NC is overpopped? Because the troubles you might be having with the NC may come from being outnumbered not out equipped.

I play all 3 factions quite a bit since I tend to switch to whatever toon is on whatever faction that is underpopped that hour/day.

NC has not only the easiest to use weapons. I am talking about straight up trial/purchase/unlock and dominate from the get-go.
They also have the highest skill cap which I also factor as biggest jump in power of each weapon when fully certing them out, and the more skilled the player the more maximum potential these weapons can unleash as well. Their recoil patterns offer free headshots, which means it is the best recoil pattern.

Also take into account there is always a portion of a MMO's population that will always shift to whatever is the easiest to use, or rather lowest skill floor. There is also a portion that will shift to whatever has the most potential, or rather highest skill ceiling, and these are also usually the same pple that care more about personal stats. So, and even more-so in a game like Planetside 2, overpopulation is a strong indication of overpowered. I also bet if SOE took a player count of each faction and the % of those active players that are not in an outfit, you would find (as I have seen first hand every day) NC has the most PUG ( or no outfit) players. This is a strong indicator as well of 4th faction populace, as most people in an outfit won't switch or be swayed by nerfs/buffs so easily. I find VS has the least amount of non-outfit players as I think most of the VS population are the "Faction-loyal" type or loyal to their outfits, which is also why you see more organization (on Mattherson at least) and less individual's dominating.

Vanu's aesthetic qualities and pew pew plasma might draw in new players, HOWEVER it does not take them long to realize it is a smoke show and their weapons are complete downgrades from 90-99% of NC's weapons and probably 40-60% of TRs weapons as well so they switch factions.

I'm tired of people using the Orion as the sole reason the VS are "balanced" with the other factions. Yes the Orion is great, but it's really our best and only option aside from some NS boredom.

The VS weapons have no weapon traits, "no bullet drop" is negligible, "fast reload" is negligible and our accuracy is no better or worse than anyone else's. The Magrider is getting nerfed like crazy in this upcoming update, but if you seriously couldn't hit it before…

NC MAXes are godly and amazing where MAXes actually shine, indoors, small outposts and enclosed spaces. All MAXes get wrecked outside and in open areas, admittedly though the VS and TR MAX have a slightly better chance of getting a kill outside.

The Lasher is amazingly fun, but utter garbage unless you work with two more Lashers in conjunction. The MCG and Jackhammer can both be used independently and to great effect, whereas the Lasher REQUIRES other Lashers to be effective. Hopefully the Lasher gets a buff of some kind to make it a bit more viable when used solo.

id like to mention the Phoenix .. id love to be able to spam rockets from safety and be able TO STEER THE DAMN THING WITH A NOSE CAM. cause you know, our having to have a squad of lancers that only can hit line-of-site is equal to that . .
NC>TR>VS
in almost every case

Guys whining isn't going to do anything besides there will always be that one faction that is better than all others. Its how a game goes as you can never reach never true balance.

I'd love to able to kill tanks from render distance.

I have had to post this 3-4 times on the forums. VS are the reason faction traits are the way they are. In Beta and early release VS had low bullet drop and less bloom but indoors NC with high damage and high recoil and TR with high ammo and ROF would wreck the VS while VS did best in open field battles.

As a post had pointed out points were indoors so VS begged to have these traits balanced and they were. Most of the community didn't kick up a fuss because it was needed but VS traits as they are came from people like you asking for it.

TR and NC were fine the way things were but faction traits have been blended to suit VS. So like I said I haven't played TR but NC used to have more kick and a lot more bullet drop off but once you were used to it you could aim 1-2m over their head to get headshots because if you hit it would drop them fast.

NC after the changes had our dps reduced but our kick and bullet drop smoothed out. to balance that loss.

NC maxes have low ammo and high reload times. They can wreck 2-4 targets up close but then have a long 4 secs to reload. I have been smashed by NC maxes just like other VS but there are ways to fight NC maxes like sending nades in by bouncing them of walls or doorways conc nades, flash bangs, c4 in windows smoke nades, or just rush them with bodies because they can stop 2-3 people but are then sitting ducks. I only use NC max in squads or for buster duty but pull my VS max solo because you can play it that way not NC maxes.

I have also had NC maxes run away from me because I fought them at 15-20m and anytime they moved to close, I would turn run back stop shot and repeat till they ran off at 1/4 health.

SOE would be making a mistake if they listened to the least pop faction as NC is the most popular due to being Rebels and most like Western democracies. Its not because they have the best weapons, they have good weapons and in my opinion VS have more best weapons out of all factions then any of the other 2.

I will say it again PS2 is the most balanced its been every. Its great sometimes to be on the biggest pop faction because fights are easy mode with more pop but I love the feeling I get on my Briggs VS when we stop bigger pushes from the more pop'd factions. The only way VS get pop is when VS get something brokenly op.

If you ask for factions to be nerfed into the ground like your asking for the NC the numbers in the game will drop and you will get less fights. VS is the lowest pop'd faction so if you like a challenge play them but they do not lack good weapons to help combat this.

Actually there's currently only ONE gun where it matters; PPA (you could argue Lancer or Saron but they are literally designed around it and would still be no drop on any faction).

And when you put AV Engy turrets you get the same effect or how about a nest of Phoenix sniping the tanks around cover which no other faction can do?

And if you put 20 lock down AP MAXes nothing is getting out either (and you only used 2/3rds of the numbers)

The current only ES weapon of note and it's coming up for a nerf.

Except Halberd is better in every aspect outside bumper distance (and being the side with slowest tank, lowest armor (shared with Prowler), lowest speed AND lowest damage being at bumper distance is ******* stupid).

Yet the other factions can get the exact same effect organized as VS and be very strong single yet only VS is punished for not being organized.

I guess. that isn't the case.
Look at canisters and marauders then look at harassers. Then look at the slaughtered magrider and unwanted tank changes. They are all equally laughable.

Those are clear sings of shockong lack of competence and basis understanding of the game that they happened to design.
It just happened VS to bite the wood but this is the current nerf session , that's all. I also bet that the next nerf session NC would be shafted because they have good numbers across all servers.

Dumping down the game so more casual masses join in hope to make more revenue eventually leads for less active dedicated players and less total revenue. The rest is fanboy talk.

For sure at least from me they won't get any cent more.
Implant concept and implementation, moving staff to other projects,delays,the console port and the recent proposed changes paved the way to the grave for PS2 as competative skill based comined arms game.

[quote="Nody, post: 2750826, member: 75869"And when you put AV Engy turrets you get the same effect or how about a nest of Phoenix sniping the tanks around cover which no other faction can do?[/quote]


You somewhat similar effects with Engy turrets, but the problem is that they will not be deployable everywhere. Problem with Phoenix squad is that they can only take down stationary targets, and you will have 12 stationary people with a rocketlauncher covering their eyes, which means getting SNIPED!

That's a benefit right there, if you can get a job done with a HA why pull a MAX?


Well dude, if VS (Mattherson) loses the server smash, by a big margin, I can agree that VS is UP.

If VS was infact UP, then I would probably would not see VS being elected in server smashes, but guess what? They always are. When you have co-ordination VS weaponry definitely pays off.

Care to explain why VS is usually preferred in server smashes?

IF its UP, I wouldn't see either sides wanting to pick VS.

What wins server smashes? Air. What's considered the best ESF today? Usually Scythe (but a case can be made for all three factions). So in this perfect world you don't need to worry about ground armor (if you did you'd never bother with VS due to Magrider) and you can guarantee plenty of AA Lightenings around when needed where needed, you don't need to worry about population imbalances (i.e. pulling MAXes to sit around camping is a ok) and you can guarantee coordination across the whole faction.

All of the above which in no way reflects how things are on the live servers for 95%+ of the people playing this game. So taking server smash as some kind of measuring stick would be like looking at formula 1 and declaring which normal store bought car is the fastest around a track because hey, if the formula 1 team won clearly that applies to everything else about the brand as well.

The funny thing about these changes is that they will GUARANTEE that magriders stay even further from the main battle.

I will need to keep even more distance now from enemy tanks. I will fight at longer ranges and even more elusively as I will need the extra time and advantage to get away.

Far from closing the range, this will lead to magriders fighting at even further ranges - just to stay alive.

They do not hate Vanu, they simply do not care...