CPU or GPU upgrade?

Discussion in 'Player Support' started by Jaron K., Apr 19, 2013.

  1. Jaron K.


    I wanted to ask you guys if I should upgrade my Cpu or Gpu first.
    My system:

    Cpu: AMD Athlon II X3 445 @ 3,5 GHZ OC
    Mobo: Asus m2n68-am plus
    Ram: 4 GB
    PSU: 450 Watt (don't aks me the brand because I really don't know)
    Gpu: AMD HD 7770

    So, my options are to either buy a upgrade kit (I5 3570k, 8gb RAM, GigaByte GA-Z77X-D3H) or a Geforce GTX 670. There both around the same price but witch of them give me the most performance increase? I know that my Cpu is bottlenecking the Geforce GTX 670 extremely but what is your opinion?
    Thanks in advance!
  2. BlackDove

    You could get an i3 or a cheaper i5, a GA-B75-D3H and a GTX 650Ti instead, and have a much better balanced system.

    And please don't put a 670 with a no-name 450W PSU. It's your money, but it's just a stupid thing to do. That's way below the minimum requirement and if it's a no name POS it'll likely destroy your new GPU. Get a Seasonic or a Delta.
  3. Jaron K.

    Are you sure about the i3, I think that it won't give much of a improvement.
    Ok, so a new PSU first.
    I just saw a OCZ ModXStream Pro 600 Watt for under €70.
    Do you this is enough power? Or should I go for 650 Watt?
  4. Dragam

    Be smart, wait 2 months till the new intel haswell series come, and then get the 4670k (new best i5 model).

    This game barely makes use of the gpu, so upgrading your cpu is a much better option... and you can always just add a better gpu at some later point.
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  5. Jaron K.

    Yeah, I think you're right.
    I think I am going to wait just a little bit more until that one comes out, and maybe by then I will have enough money to buy i7 4e Gen.
  6. Kazzah

    Ive just bought a new system in the UK including a GTX 680 (from a Company that specialises in gaming machines built to custom specs) and it has a 600 watt PSU, so it will be powerful enough for what you want.
  7. pada0

    Ivy bridge i3-3220 and a b75 chipset motherboard will be a reasonable upgrade if you do not want to spend too much. your gpu 7770 seems good enough to play at low-medium settings at lower resolutions. Bottleneck is your current cpu.

    With flora and shadows off you can get a reasonable framerate on i3-3220 and there will be upgrade options to ivy bridge i5 and i7 compatible on the same motherboard as their prices will drop when the new generation chips release.

    If you want to go into overclocking, just look for a z77 chipset motherboard with a processor that ends with a K in the model number.
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  9. Dragam


    Yeah, buy a ****** i3, just before the new intel haswell series comes, that wouldnt be retar.ded at all...
  10. BlackDove

    An Ivy Bridge i3 will give you a significant boost over your old CPU.

    It's not about the Wattage alone. It's about the quality. That OCZ is made by Sirtec, and I wouldn't buy it. Seasonic pretty much makes the best PSU's for any price range, and they manufacture a lot of the better rebrands like specific Corsair models etc. Delta PSU's are also very good, so a rebranded Delta would be good.


  11. BlackDove

    Except he's talking about an "either or" upgrade between an i5-3570K or a GTX 670. He'd be making a very imbalanced system, and he also needs a PSU upgrade in either case. He can wait for Haswell, but that'd be more of a concern if he was planning to use the integrated GPU.
  12. Lancener

    Yea I would go for a CPU, I went with a GPU because (my old one was a GT 520) it wasn't up to par on any games. Next thing I'm going for is a new motherboard then CPU, motherboard doesn't support more CPU than I have. I went with a 660TI, now my CPU is a major bottle-neck.
  13. Emotitron

    Hit alt-F while playing.
    Get into a big fight.
    See if the little FPS reading in the lower left corner says GPU or CPU. Whichever one it says... replace that first.

    Chances are it says CPU.
  14. Dragam

    Reaaaaaally big *sigh*

    You do realize, that at 1080p, youre basically only limited by the cpu?

    Obviously he will need to upgrade the psu either way, but if he waits for haswell, he will have more time to save up (as he said himself).

    And do this puzzle in your head... is it better to buy 1 good piece now, and have 1 bad piece left, undtil you can upgrade that, or is it better to buy 1 bad piece, to go along with the bad piece you already have, so it isnt "imbalanced" ?

    Its obviously alot wiser buying a good cpu that will last him a long time. With coming consoles, multithreading is going to become alot better in all games (as they are primarily developed for console, and then ported to pc) so having a weak i3 would seriously **** him in less than a year.
    If he buys the coming haswell i5 4670k, then he would have a cpu he could use for the next 4 or maybe even more years. I know youre trying to belittle the haswell upgrade, by saying that everything it brings, is improved onboard graphics... you and i both know that isnt true... or if you dont, you should stop giving advice on the technical section.
    Haswell comes with an improved heatspreader, which was / is the major issue of ivy, and the reason that it cant overclock very high... so haswell will be able to overclock alot more than ivy. On top of that, it bring a straight out 7-13% increase in clock pr clock performance.
    So depending on just how well haswell will overclock, it may end up being as much as 30% faster than ivy... but even a 20% increase would certaintly be worth waiting a few months for.
  15. BlackDove

    Ok, I'll try to respond to your incoherent "puzzle".

    It's better not to put a brand new good component with an old one that's likely to fail, and possibly damage the new component in the process.

    A Haswell 4570K is a good component for a $2,000 desktop, but this guy is talking about deciding between a CPU/motherboard and a GTX 670(which is a waste at 1920x1080 compared to a 660Ti). You're not ALWAYS limited by the CPU at 1920x1080 either. It depends on the application and the CPU and GPU you're talking about.

    Actually, I wasn't trying to "belittle" the Haswell upgrade. It's going to be a fantastic architecture, with a lot of vector processing improvements and stuff.

    It's not that they "fixed the heatspreader" either. The issue was never the heatspreader with Ivy Bridge(there was some rumor about the thermal interface between the CPU silicon and the heatspreader because of environmental reasons). Shrinking to 22nm means everything is closer together, and hotspots become an issue as the power density increases. Perhaps you shouldn't give information in the technical section, since you don't know what you're talking about.

    The VRM has been moved to the CPU and the controls over different areas of the chip voltage will definitely help with overclocking.

    It's going to be really great for the server and HPC market too, since all of that lower voltage and eventual DDR4 support will mean much better efficiency for multi CPU configurations with massive amounts of RAM.

    That's not going to give the guy who's upgrading his PC much help, if he doesn't upgrade the GPU and motherboard to match it. The CPU also has the least effect on the reliability of the rest of the system. The reliability of the rest of the system depends much more on the PSU and motherboard than the CPU itself, which is why I said for him to upgrade his other more important components first, and have a more balanced system that will last longer and perform better overall.
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  16. Krayus_Korianis

    It's always going to be the CPU. They optimized this game for CPU, instead of GPU which pumps out graphics... It's honestly stupid how they did that.

    The only time it's not CPU is when you're dead and looking at the ground or in a relatively small/open area. Like the Warpgate or a big plain going to a battle.
  17. AnotherNoob

    Did you mean to use in planetside alone, or some other specific game, or just generally? In PS2 it is pretty much always going to come down to the cpu if you got a reasonably balanced system.
  18. pada0

    i3-3220 will do well in everything else reasonably and in a balanced way. If your life is only about Planetside 2 you should save up wait for the latest cpu and toss away everything you got now.

    At least for me, paying a premium price for the latest equipment just to play a poorly coded game isn't my cup of tea.
  19. Dragam

    You are talking about his gpu, as if its a 4000 series card... its a 7000 series, so haswell will only be 1 gen newer, and there is no issue what so ever doing that.

    I5's are what you use for 1k $ or less builds... do you even have a clue what the products cost? Current 3570k is about 220 $ and the new haswell i5 4670k will likely be around the same price.
    I was obviously speaking of this particular game, in which you are ALWAYS cpu limited, unless you have a seriously oudated gpu... with a 7770 card, he wont be gpu limited at 1080p.

    It is a heatspreader fix, as the issue was that the glue holding the heatspreader in place, was in many cases too high, causing it to not have full contact... which is why alot of people obtained drastically better temps by delidding the ivy, as they then gained full contact between the heatspreader and the cpu.

    Do you take me for a fool? Obviously, all his components will need to match, but he would need to change it regardless of what he chooses to upgrade... new psu, new motherboard, likely new ram and then a new cpu... he should simply save up until he can buy some quality products, and not take that sh.it advice you gave, about buying a current i3... he would need to upgrade the cpu again in a year...
  20. pada0

    Even if you have the best hardware and tuned it up to the best there is, you will still encounter crashes and run into bugs with Planetside 2 right now. It's just not worth it to get the best hardware to try and play planetside 2 at its current stage of development. Go with something reasonable and wait for the game to get optimized first. Maybe by then the new gen cpu's talked about in this thread are already part of history.