Claymore OP as hell

Except that the stats that Goretzu posted clearly show that they are better.
Claymore mines are simply the best mines. You can actually hide them in high traffic areas where the other 2 factions mines would get easily spotted and destroyed.
And I am not even asking for a claymore nerf. Just bring the other mines up to par.

It's possible, but only because part of the Claymore is stuck in the door pane. Generally, they want to land on a ground-like surface with the pole down. They don't naturally stick to awkward surfaces like that, and, if they do, then not often in useful ways. Most often, they will get stuck with their whole body inside the door pane, detection radius facing down to the ground, and thus be rendered useless. Because they have active collision when being thrown they will also bounce off walls if dropped too close and can land at undesired angles.

I'll play around a bit by throwing them at walls and stuff later.

If you don't want to die to mines wear FLAK! thats what its for.

Choose your poison die to mines or lose the 25% nanoweave gives you. or the extra grenades to throw from bandolier.

Nothing wrong here, just people not wanting to have to make proper decisions based on the fight conditions.

Lasers aside, that is some good claymore placement right there. Nobody ever looks up

I'm going to go ahead and guess you didn't actually read anything in this thread, including the OP. This isn't a "boo hoo I died to a mine" thread, its a "BB and Prox are terrible compared to Claymore" thread.

The stats are misleading. KPH is notably higher for Claymores. However, the Uniques for Claymores is lower, usually a difference of 10%. The AvgBR is also higher, but this is harder to make a percent because progression isn't linear. The final stat to note is Q4KPH, which shows the Claymore still doing well at the upper levels.

From this, I can conclude that the Claymore is better than the Proxy/BB because of a higher skill ceiling, but the Proxy/BB is better in a noob's hands. Faction diversity can be scrapped here, though some may not want that.

BB and Prox are fine if not better in other ways(full360 kill radius). I never put mine in the open. Always around a corner or object, under water etc. And get lots of kills. Hell i can place behind a box and kill anyone that crosses either side (with a claymore i have to drop 2 for same effect). Claymore has a little more directional to make up for lack of 360 kill.

Only issue lately that effects VS/NC prox more than claymores is latency. People run out of kill radius before they go off. (LA flying over can survive them all)

ex. I came up behind an infil last night, killed him started to run off and the VS prox (that was not visible even with EOD on my engi) went off. That is some delay.

You say its my fault because ppl refuse to wear flak armor.
Nice thinking, i'm not going to wear flak EXCLUSIVELY just because TR has OVERPOWERED mine.
I want to see TR wearing flak, oh wait nope, they wear nanoweave and laugh when stepped on our mines and left with 20% health.
It's like driving a turbo harasser over mines. At least give them VISIBLE LAZORS. OUR MINES GLOW LIKE **** (i always laugh at vanu prox mine at night).

Maybe you can start listing that in your signature then, along with the "VS is OP" stuff.

As far as mines are concerned, Claymores have been OP for a long time now compared to VS/NC. The fact that this conversation has devolved into "NC has the Max and VS has the Orion" should tell you all you need to know. So the next time somebody complains about the Orion, be sure to remind them how good their Claymore is.

Same old song and dance. No one likes fire and forget weapons. Thats the core issue here.

I hardly ever get killed by mines on any faction, not because I run flak, but because I... wait for it... look where I'm walking

:O

If you're not paying attention, you should die to a mine. Thats the cut and dry of it. As per balance, I think they're decent. Claymores have a slightly higher chance of killing if placed properly, but the BB/Proxy mines have 360 kill zones, and a lower model profile.

BB/Proxies are more forgiving for those that don't think about where they're placing them, where claymore require a little more thought. You can't nerf being out thought... Just doesn't work that way.

Flak armor brah

Proxy/betties are good for playing discus near an enemy sundy xD

Haha yeah, I'll give you that. Reminds me of a valk run where we had all our engies (With max U.Pouch) drop proxies over a heavily populated sundy. I think they heard our laughter on PTS.

1. That is not even the point of this thread. it is to discuss the balance between the mines.

2. And this is right what this balance discussion should be about. With betties and Proxies you can look where you are walking and avoid. Claymores are the ONLY mines that can be placed in such a way that that is IMPOSSIBLE to see before dying (you cannot see through walls; ignoring the implants!)

3. compared to how easy they are to spot and their limitations in where you can place them those "advantages", if you wanna call them that, are useless.

4. No. This belief is BS. It is actually the other way around. Placing a clymore in a way to pretty much guarantee a kill is about a million times easier than with proxies and betties. Simply because you can place claymores in places where they can't be seen before they kill someone.
And we are not trying to nerf thinking. The opposite actually. We want the mere possibility (why can't people get this) of actually thinking about placement be added to proxies and betties. Because currently it doesn't exist for them. You either get a lucky kill on a blind person (with the "look at me" lights they have to be) or they get spotted. Claymores don't have that problem.

This thread exists everyone.


Infantryside is trying to destroy infantrysides ability to hurt infantryside.



Its a downhill slope riding in the loony bin vehicle now.

Claymore is fine, it's a directional explosive.

Also, Claymores have lasers giving away their location a lot more easily than other factions.

Just because someone put a mine in a smart place doesn't make the mine overpowered, it means the person that died to it was rushing where they shouldn't have been, or simply weren't paying attention. And I repeat, I die less to mines than I do to anything else in this game, because I stop and think "Is there a mine there?".

Granted, the mine in the top of the doorway is a little lame, but if you're dying to that thing, you are not paying attention... Making you the primary victim of the role that a mine should fulfill.

Don't cry about changing a system you don't understand the role of.

I will readily admit that I defuse NC and VS explsoives with full body contact because running max rank flak armor almost all the time on all major loadouts is that empowering.

I would argue the stats show the other two empires are statistically worse at placing their mines, and these posts should prove my point;

If it's not clear that people think that's the only way to use them.

Please read over my post here, and put these into practice, I guarantee you will see an increased effectiveness.

https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?threads/claymore-op-as-hell.219894/page-2#post-3138688

Well since I have switched to NC, I have been placing mines like I would Claymores and being just as effective. I run around and see some of the placements friendlies do, the just sit there scratching my head wondering if they think they will actually get a kill off them.