Canis worth unlocking?

I was trying it out in VR cause I want an SMG for my HA and Medic. Everything about this gun seems really good and well rounded. The special ammo makes headshots easier and a it reduces the ammount of would-be misses during hipfire. Especially at range these rounds come in handy for the traditionally unreliable SMG class.

Does anyone know what the RoF is starting out? It doesn't start at 667 does it?

I'm just worried about spending that many certs just for them to nerf it in a hotfix the next day.

If you're worried about a nerf, you may want to hold off for now. There is a lot of noise around this gun right now, and noise like that often results in adjustments/nerfs.

Nope, it's not as good as the whiners claim...and it will likely get nerfed. After that it should be useless. As always when VS gets something that might be better than what the others get...

Shotguns in general.
Phoenix.
Shotgun pistol.
Gladius..
Gatekeeper.
Vulcan.
MJ

Need I go on about how VS "We always get nerfed to uselessness" bit is bull?
As I can literally just say Saron.

Hmm...

No bullet drop
High accuracy laterally
high dps

My grandmother could win at VS and she's dead....

Most of the fights are CQC...bullet drop does not matter there at all. All factions have guns with little to no bullet drop(if that's so important to you). If you want to see some real bullet drop: Try magrider...ah wait...there bullet drop suddenly is no problem anymore cause they can climb hills. Whatever suits you best... ;-)

High dps? Play VS and you'll see how you'll do(enjoy hitting on scatmaxes) in CQC.

Accuracy? How does that matter in CQC? It's not like the other factions spray all over the screen.

Where are your stats? Those are just claims.

Your grandmother likely still is the better player...

What's your issue with Saron? It does not shred you on harassers like those of the other factions. And seriously...that gun at least needs some aiming skills. Can't just spam it...

You name there a lot of OP stuff that got nerfed(some of it not enough)...and there is still a lot left from lockdown to vanguard shield and so on. When was the last time VS had something OP? That zealot overdrive thing(or whatever it was called. Never used it again after the nerf cause it really became entirely useless and still is even after being buffed like twice or something since then. Who else got such a hard nerf hammer?) on MAXes? Orion(where it's still questionable if that was really a big deal. I think the whole fuzz was about blaming some other faction so your stuff doesn't get the deserved nerf)? Or the aphelion(that one was really OP, No, Really. That OP that NOBODY saw that nerf comming. Nobody cared either cause most didn't like it anyway.)?
It's like whenever something is used by a lot of VS(due to very limited alternatives) and you get killed a lot by it then it has to be OP. I wonder when the MAX gets its next nerf...cause it really is darn OP...especially those comets. /sarcasm

If fights were actually CQC mainly, you'd think shotguns not carbines or SMGs will be winning out for weapon choices in CQC.
And the side with the only RNG Shotgun Max, would be King not on the end.

Saron, nothing I like my Saron.
Everything that VS has had, that has been nerfed, has overpreformed hard-core.
ZOE, Overpowered: Nerfed a bit hard, but that's since it's wtf the ability is, is it not?
Beetleguese still outpreforms, and it was adjusted along with the entire class of weaposn it is in.
Magrider itself, if it didn't have the gravity it does... would never have a reason to close the distance, having the best agility.
Magrider itself, again, some rebalances go figure, due to overpreformance.
PPA

Every single weapon that has been nerfed, was overpreforming.

How about we look at this in perspective?
Gatekeeper: Nerfed, yet we don't see TR going "We only get nerfs"
NC's Phoenix, nerfed hard damn fast.
Shotguns all got hammered hard for a unwanted range boost, which affects NC hard.
Vanguard Shield hammered hard again, now made more timing dependent.
Vanguard itself turned further into a tank hard-pressed to preform, with the longest repair times & reload.

VS isn't the sole side that gets nerfed.
VS is however the side that has had the most Overpowered Broken things in the game's run-time.
Logic says, then given they have had the most Broken things, they would reasonably have a ton of adjustments.

The Canis, has no reason to outpreform so damn hard in all aspects over TR & NC.
VS has no reason to have superior gear in performance, when NC & TR do not have an equal in another field even.

VS has complained that the Archer of all things, having touched the Lancer's range, makes VS impotent.
The VS Beetleguese having had the entire weapon class, not just that gun, be adjusted means "VS is being patched out"
Magrider with the highest stats of performance for the least number of tanks... Complained about being UP.

So many damn VS Underplay every single tool, and say they are the beaten child...
NC has a Gauss Saw for a starter, a Tank that is entirely dependent on 1 ability, a MAX reliant on RNG, a Launcher needing invulnerability nearly, Largest damn ESF, and the hardest-to-hide-with color-scheme possible.
And VS wants to say they need an OP weapon of some kind?

My issue is that VS complains that they get nerfs to OP toys as if they weren't warranted, and as if TR & NC don't get them.
We all get nerfs, and rebalances.
However one side is hard-core ****** for Years: And that ain't bloody VS.

Canis will most probably will have its CoF adjusted with unstable ammo making it useless outside of 10 m. Even in its current state hitting anything outside 20 m. is pure luck. Unstable ammo, right now, is only good in the open when you are facing a lot of unsuspecting enemies and stil you are more likely to hit cover or your allies.

What you can't do with unstable ammo right now is:
- shoot through the windows
- shoot over the rails
- shoot from behind cover like branches, rocks and such
- full spin up takes half of your mag and CoF is so large it is basically useless at range (just like old Lasher was)
- forget about sneakyness, big slow bullets pinpoint your location better than triple size dorito and bounty mark

Said that, it is really good gun. I can't pull any of my stats with this gun but I probably killed few dozens people with it already but it is more because it forced me to play more aggresively than I would normaly do, add to it few lucky shots I would normally miss.

I say bigger bullets are a problem, sure, but not exactly the one most people say. I would rather have the bullest had some spash damage instead just like Lasher has but normal hit box. Making Canis CoF bigger will ruin this gun.

Don't forget the other ES SMGs (TRs) are very strong, and the NC Cyclone and Scatmaxes. Also the Striker able to hit targets further away thus TR can hit a certain range and be immune to ground fire, while they can deal with anything at range in the air.

But yeah, nothing like seeing a platoon of people squashing a push because they focus fire the Phoenix from behind terrain wiping out sunderers with ease.

Shotguns are out of control, as is Skill-4, err, C-4.

There are already significant drawbacks to the Canis, any further change will make it useless. If the devs kneejerk on this, I'm ready to have letters sent to YouTube stars and media to add Daybreak Games into the mix of EA and Activision. Bait'n'Switch on a weapon, and also passively mention how Planetside 2 has strong buffs hidden in Pay 2 Win lootboxes, AKA Implants. Sick of devs getting away with gouging.

Yet this dev won't address glitchers and hackers (hitbox modders/lag switchers/net limiters/aim-assists) first, along with racist names/clan names.

ES SMG's, being strong -sure.
Striker: didn't get fixed just yet - Lancer too is pretty bloody nice, regardless of the "Archer can do the range too" complaints..

But Scatmaxes...
The RNG 15 meters at best weapon, with 6-12 shots at best, needs more certs to use, and has the longest reload, on the slowest thing on a 450 nanite priced platform, that is literally only capable in the most specific situations, where it is easily blasted apart by tank mines, C-4, and pretty much every other way to kill a max outside of running it over besides a Flash.

Outside? No, not even out of the doorframe.

Phoenix.
Yeah, let get a squad of that - might actually work.
Unless 1 single trooper, notices the array, shoots them down, or fires on the immobilized & defence-less users of the weapon.
Did you know, not one of those rockets can even kill anything but an infil in one shot?
A bug right now is letting it fire a wee bit quicker based on distance, or lack there of.
The weapon itself, literally is comic.
If your sunderers manage to die in sweeping fire from phoenixes... too close to a spawn, or you have entire squads of hapless NC sitting right where the smoke came from, perfect to knife in the face slowly.

Shotgun; Carbine does it better at all ranges, lest you get lucky, or place the barrel inside the target's head.

C-4, unless you're infantry in a choke-point, it's basically means you didn't think "That balcony or rock, or lack of sensors could end badly if I'm under it."
For vehicles - unless it's a valk dropping C-4, it's basically you failed to take any measures against a squishy target.

There is drawbacks.
Yes.
However, UA, while not allowing it through little gaps, does basically nuke anything up close, with the hell to accuracy.
Losing a bit of that headshot multipler, when it's an AOA blaster isn't gonna kill it.
It still has the odd-as-hell near-useless spin-up, the lovely ammo, fast reload, nice range.

Does VS deserve a superior SMG to TR & NC? No.
Bait & switch? I'm sorry did you buy the God-gun-****-balance package?
Or did you buy something they poorly balanced prior to live release?
You bought the second one btw.

IE, did you really just say the VS SMG can't be touched balance-wise since it isn't perfect but is glorious, since you threaten to have Youtubers to publicly shame Daybreak for lootboxes...

Where the **** was this, with the Implant Box release?
No, lets save that lootbox bit, for when VS's SMG of Lasher-Spam gets threatened in any degree...

Hell.
Why the **** isn't there outrage over the Implants of this degree of aggression?
Which ARE actually spending for RNG rewards...
But you'll threaten for VS's SMG getting any updates as if ANY would kill it?

By the damn abyss...

It will ruin it, period, after using them all the Canis is the most fragile. Those other weapons are situational just like the Canis, yet they remain dominate in their situational use, accepted as is. But VS get a cool new toy, look out. This whole thing is blown out of proportion. Or is it the lag wizards and hitbox modders upset to have something that may counter them?

I wasn't around for lootbox stuff iirc, since back it makes me sick to my stomach for sure seeing this considering how hard it is to get implants after you get the baby boxes. Just waiting on inspiration.

Most importantly, this dev needs to get rid of all the cheaters and lag-wizards first before thinking balance other stuff.

The Betelgeuse is a freaking directives gun. ONLY experienced players got it. Most can't use it. Did it ever come to your mind that this might screw some stats?
Or did it ever come to your mind that magrider is pulled the least cause in most players hands they are just plain crap? ANYONE can use a vanguard shield and win a 1vs1...and anyone can use a lockdown prowler and shell away. To use a magrider and win a 1on1 needs a darn lot of training. You need to make perfect use of your agility and you need to hit with that insane bullet drop(faction trait no bullet drop...yeah...whatever!). That means bad players just don't use that tank often...and if you eliminate the worst players from a statistic the average performance goes up.
What the hell did you think WHY it is not pulled that often? Because it's so OP and players don't like using OP things? Funny thing is that you just claim that Canis is OP because everyone seems to be using it...so it has to be OP.
The Canis might just be a hype-thing. People get shot by it and complain in the forums(cause they didn't get shot before with other guns. It's all just Canis.). People read the complains and give it a try too. More people get shot by them due to increasing numbers. More people complain. More people read it...and so on...

Not being able to spray & pray, landing headshots without actually aiming there will kill it.
What the **** then is the Gladius?

Situational use: Spray in close, nail head-shots without actually trying.
Same field as the other two, yet VS wins hard.

New Toy; A SMG with all of TR's traits, added onto with VS traits, with a Lasher ammo.

Lootbox is the newer version of the implant system.. the old was implants raining from the sky basically.
Unless you started playing in the last two months, you were here for it.

Yet apparently no complaints about it..
Yet you will threaten for the Canis losing headshot multipler for the AOA SPAM ammo..
Or any edit to the weapon at all..


You can never have a cheat-free game, or a game without any form of lag that is multiplayer.
To balance only after, is akin to never doing anything ever, as it is a constant war that never ends.

Or you are oblivious to how lag & hacking works out.
It isn't flip a switch, and magically all internet routes, systems, connections & more are equal.
And every game with multiplayer basically suffers from hacks in some manner.

Your Canis hitting heads for you, without actually making you hit heads, isn't a good thing.
Nor losing a bit of that extra "You nailed a headshot with a massive *** globe" kill the weapon.
If that is what makes it good, You have apparently not appreciated the stats outside of UA's headshotting mastery..

Better reload speeds, highest RPM, a decent range, and VS's standard lack of drop.
If you need the Lasher-mini with auto-HS'ing.. you fail at SMG's..

Same with Godsaw. However Beetleguese outpreforms it, and the Butcher.
Both of which are Aux LMG's.

Most can't use any of the three, yet VS not only has the most of these, it also preforms better.
Since only experienced use any of the Three... and one is winning over the rest..
By the gods... it means one is better.

Anyone can use a Vanguard Shield: Anyone can actually beat this pretty much by waiting.
To use a Magrider, you play like infantry.
To use a Vanguard Shield, you must time it, ensure your opponent doesn't rush your ***, nor flak, and know if they disengage or rather if they can, You lost - You will not have shield, and that is your entire ability to live.

Magriders pulled less, and yet nearly have equal or better results to tanks pulled severely more.
If I have 3 units, and I nearly best 150 units.. Either 150 units are all inferior entirely, or my 3 units are superior..
Since it is pulled less, it should have scores equal to the severity of the difference in numbers..
IE if it is equal, it should have less score, due to the severe difference of numbers.
If it was worse, this should amplify the severity of the numeric difference.
Since the tank does not have any such reduced score or effect from the numeric difference... it can't be equal or inferior.

I haven't actually claimed the Canis is OP, let alone on the basis of number of pulls.
I have stated it's a bit insane to keep it, on the basis of "VS only gets nerfs", to the out-preformance of it.
VS SMG was not released first, it was released at the same time as NC & TR equivalents, so all three should be used as much as possible..
Yet one is well above the others.

People do not pull or use what does not work.

Go look at the stats.
Go try it.
And release; It isn't anything like a VS weapon... it's stats are TR with VS boosts.
Now try the Gladius & TR's SMG...
You'll feel the difference.

I remember when everybody was freaking out when The Pilot came out, all the crying it's OP and stuff. Now barely anyone uses it. Sure, it is NS weapon so everyone is able to equip it but same sihtstorm broke out when it was released.

Also, people seem to forget that VS has mostly mediocre guns with no real ES trait. No bullet drop is useful (and available) only on ONE VS sniper rifle and on the rest of the guns it does not matter as stated many times before. The Betelgeuse is directive gun as 99% of other ones with "endless" ammo and it is not even that good (anymore).
I think we must ask ourselves if we really want to have more ES variety/weapons or not. I remember everyone was crying we only have NS weapons released and now when we have some ES weapons finally people are crying again. You know, eventually we will have another ES weapons and it may happen that TR or NC ones will be over the top (Canis deffo is not over thetop). I wonder if same people who cry now to nerf VS SMG will do the same about other weapons, I bet not!

I think VS should get to keep the Canis as is.

Then give NC something best in class.

Then give TR something best in class.

Maybe over the next couple releases of Dokus guns.

P.S. Make TR's a 1000 rpm belt fed LMG.

My old outfitmate on VS used to average a .25 kd in infantry fights. He's now proud of his 2 kd using the Canis. This thing deserves an adjustment...

it has rof of a 200 damage gun with a 167 damage model with 40 rounds and the shortest reload.
so thats 1 VS trait, short reload, 1 NC trait, 167 damage,1 TR trait, 40 rounds in a mag, 1 ****** up trait, thats the lowest RPM in it's class

For the rpm look here.

Wrel wrote on REDDIT that the unstable ammo will be adjusted...

Should you unlock it?

No. You missed the window.

I unlocked over the weekend and went on a glorious bloody nearly cheatlike rampage. The UA is about to get a fat nerf and it's 110% deserved.

Wait and see how bad the nerf is before unlocking. I think this thing can still end up being the best new SMG of the 3 if they do it right.

If you don't mind the risk of the nerf (again... it IS going to get one), then yes unlock ASAP and get your bloodbath on.

Are you sure you want to go there? An SMG that can one shot headshot from so far out they're not even rendered? Really? Tell me one other that can. Furthermore, on Emerald since the OP pos has come out it's been 100% VS wins during my gaming time-and care to know the common denominator? Oh that's right, it's the non OP Canaris. The same weapon EVERYONE over there is using. Coincidence, not on your ******* life.

You VS types just want to have your catke and eat it too and everyone else expense. And you're too arrogant, or stupid-I'm not sure which, to see it kills the game more. ISO, ISO, ISO, the prophet is handing out free ISO. Gots to get yours....