Can we get an official Statement on why .75x LMG HA exist? SRSLY?We need a true answer after 2 years

I would imagine the reason is the same as that an LMG with near identical stats to the Orion but with a better ROF and a 100 round clip exists, but is given out to the TR as a starter weapon.

If you want balance then all weapon categories would need to have the same damage, accuracy, rof, recoil, clip size etc as each other and would just end up with cookie cuter weapons and no faction flavor.

So there you are the actual reason is asymmetrical balance, if you don't like it suck it up as without further watering down the factions it will exist, unless you want the VS style mediocre weapons for TR and NC i.e. neither the damage of NC 200 weapons of the rof and clip size of TR.

Also why does a tank have almost twice the DPS of the others? The best top speed and come with a ability to turn it into a ranged beast come with a secondary that murders anything in close range?

When that empires secondary is put on a harasser it outperforms because it can one clip a tank due to the 90 clip size and is somewhat forgiving of missed shots and has the speed and maneuverability to do so unlike the other empires which require several reloads to do the same.

Or why the MBT with the most health come with an ability to stop it taking damage?

Or why the MBT with the least DPS has such a useless ability in combat, and it has the lowest top speed, most awful turret traverse speed (it has to turn the entire tank ffs), most bullet drop (there goes the no bullet drop faction thing), slowest projectiles (its tied with the lightning for both drop and projectile speed).

Yes the other factions could go on about TR and NC weapons (lets give everyone instagib max weapons and low damage LMG;s), we don't cry about the Prowler being the best infantry murder machine (even when the PPA was still useful guess what the main cause of infantry to tank deaths was caused by? Hint it wasn't the PPA, it was red).

If you want faction balance go play team fortress, other wise suck it up and assume some empires will have better (potentially unbalanced in you view) weapons, but then remember that includes your own empire.

Gimme dat weapon now.

I can't find it anywghere...

Funny my BR2 alt does

Do I really have to play guess the weapon from the stats

Weapon 1
ADS
Still
Crouching 0.1
Standing 0.2

Moving
Crouching 0.1
Standing 0.4

Bloom per shot 0.05

Vertical recoil 0.4
Horizontal recoil 0.21375 / 0.21375
Recoil decrease 12
First shot recoil modifier 2x

Head shot multiplier 2x

Weapon 2
ADS
Still
Crouching 0.1
Standing 0.2

Moving
Crouching 0.1
Standing 0.4

Bloom per shot 0.05

Vertical recoil 0.4
Horizontal recoil 0.2 / 0.225
Recoil decrease 13
First shot recoil modifier 2.25x

Head shot multiplier 2x

Weapon 3 (for fun)
ADS
Still
Crouching 0
Standing 0.2

Moving
Crouching 0.5
Standing 0.07

Bloom per shot 0.07

Vertical recoil 0.55
Horizontal recoil 0.175 / 0.175
Recoil decrease 12
First shot recoil modifier 1.65x

Head shot multiplier 2x

So which is which? I have ignored the hip fire accuracy seeing as we are talking about ADS'ing and the clip size, reload speed and ADS speed.

So which is which please answer me.

Obviously you don't have enough knowledge of the Orion. It's absolutely not an accurate gun, don't take my word for it, just look up the stats.
If you want to know how accurate the Orion is without playing it, as the TR that you look to be, imagine a slightly worse CARV with 50 rounds. In ADS the Orion is less accurate than the CARV with more first shot recoil, similar horizontal and vertical recoil, and wider horizontal arc. That's it.
In hipfire, it's a CQC LMG so it fares a bit better than most, but 3.5 for CoF is still bad. You need a laser sight to get what's roughly stock AR hipfire. And if laser sight, Anchor/MSW-R marginally outclass it anyway with their ALS and base 3.75 CoF.

This whole .75ads debate nerf is tiring and stupid. Ask for a NC/TR LMG with .75ads, that'd be fair and i'm all for it, but that stat is not OP whether on a HA or anything else really.
Sure it helps, but OP? It's just something you've read and repeat like a mantra. If it were that good the best performing non-auraxium LMG wouldn't be the Anchor, if the Orion was that godly it wouldn't be performing worse than the SVA.

Because:

(1) mobility is faction trait
(2) VS lacks heavy weapon that is excellent hipfire cqc (jackhammer, chain gun) and need to componsate on it somehow
(3) Stop the whining, Orion is achieving Q4-kph similar to MSW, and both are inferior to Anchor
http://ps2oraclestats.com/?stat=q4kph&weapon1=80&weapon2=7236&weapon3=7254

i wonder how that happens, because there's nothing about the anchor i could imagine that lets it be so strong.
can someone enlighten me?

https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?threads/anchor-tradeoff.218007/

Orion Q4 KPH : 47.2543
MSW : 47.2377
Anchor: 46.26

While I'm not jumping into the .75 debate ... The stats you posted as proof actually don't back up your claim .. You maybe should have said KPU

Orion was OP, look how they are performing for the last few months. (and not at a singular point of time, but on a period).
Anchor almost constantly has the upper hand among 3.
When adding SVA88, it's SVA88 and Anchor on-par, MSW is inferior to both.

75% ADS is a big deal. Those stating otherwise are just not good enough to notice it on enemies or take advantage of it themselves.

What makes it even a bigger deal is that it provides another strong point to already ridiculously strong platform with huge mags, high/average DPS, invisible on 50% of game's background default camo, and of course the beloved crutch shield.

To say "I need 75% ADS on my HA" is to admit that shield is not enough. IDK how one can admit to being so bad.

Look how the Orion compares to other default LMG's though .. And not ones you need to unlock .. It could be argued by some that it's still pretty OP in that respect .. Not by as far as the BG is compared to the other Directive LMG's but by a nice margin ..


They should lower Strafing speeds to the seemingly lower H1Z1 levels ( Across the board as default )

Maybe we should nerf the TR NS15 after all it has Q4 KPH 42.05 compared to the VS NS15 pitiful 39.8 or the NC's NS15's woeful 37.49?

That 0.75 ADS it has is so clearly OP... It should be removed. Just on the TR NS15 as its sooooooooo clearly over performing (end of sarcasm).

"Carnage BR"

Calling the Orion/Betelgeuse/NS-15M1/M2 a LMG is a misnomer their really IAR (Infantry Automatic Rifles) which are assault rifles customized with a heavier barrel, open bolt upper receiver. In short these weapons are lighter in weight then anything else the heavy assault can carry considering its wearing the Reinforced Exo-Skeleton (REXO). As for why the SVA-88 Its more in line with real world LSW (Light Support Weapon), and the likely reason the Pulsar LSW doesn't have it is due to is already terrible horizontal recoil would be even worse.

Weapon 1 T-9 Carv/T9A Butcher

Weapon 2 Orion VS54/ VS-54A Betelgeuse

Weapon 3 NC6 Gauss Saw/ NC 6A Godsaw

No, it means other default LMGs are worse to master and worse cqc, that's about it.
Saw is an excellent weapon, but it's stupid to make it default LMG.

The Saw is a **** weapon, theres a reason its the least used of the Heavy Starter weapons by BR100s, lol. The area where its effective is useless in this game, there just simply isn't a need for an LMG that outperforms at long range and fails everywhere else.

I find the shotguns to be a bigger problem than heavies/0.75x

You need more people to raise this and respond to this thread to make it a community issue.

.75 ads on lmgs in addition to ada strafing make it extremely powerful.

Pull it out.

If its not a problem then extend .75 to the carv, gauss saw, butcher and godsaw.

Ok fine lets do that and halve the respective clip sizes and reload speeds?