Buff the Magrider 2014.

Yes it does, but you're not taking into account that brute force doesn't always beat agility.

Im still having a hard time understanding what the devs were thinking when they nerfed the Magrider.

I know I can only speak from my own experience on Miller and I know I have said this before but... VS were more or less the only faction useing their MBT and pouring certs, money and time into it.

NC/TR hated their MBTs, Prowlers off center gun and recoil, Vanguard wasnt really that good for anything, shield was buggy etc etc. Result? highly certed and ****** out fully crewed Magriders that even outnumbered the other MBTs most of the time wiped the floor with the not so certed, usually solo and stock weapons Prowler/Vanguards... suprise!?

What is suprising though is that the Magrider was balanced against that, and still is even though most of the issues with the other MBTs have been fixed and its fairly obvious that a lot of Prowlers and Vanguards driving around now have a lot of certs invested... a lot of them have nice 2nd guns too and AP main gun isnt rare.

Strange to say that AP or 2nd guns arent rare? perhaps but if we look back in time... this is almost like taking out the old family album.

Yep... cute. Vanguards are rare? Vanguards with shields are almost a myth?
Back in April 2013 they were, wich is where that quote is from.

I think its time to make another balance pass on the Magrider, this time bring it up to the fixed, crewed, equipped and certed Prowler/Vanguards.

What are you talking about? Magrider is the most versatile, most mobile, and has the very best 2ndary.

Anyone that is using the Saron over the Halberd for AV puproses is purposely gimping himself. The current itteration of the Saron does not synergise well with the way the Magrider is pigeonholed to work.

It's also hilarious to see the TR claiming "but you have the Saron", ignoring that their Prowler is topping the charts on both AI and AV and has the obvious ability to use a Halberd.

The only reason the Magrider is still competitive is because it fields more 2/2 crews that the other two empires combined. Especially in AI, almost two out of every three 2/2 crews is Vanu.

Buff the turret shell velocity, lower the drop
Make it easier to shoot down from hills and mountains
Add omniburner
Make it possible to look behind the tank so you can avoid mowing down infantry if you have to move backwards

Then, with the damage numbers we'll have to be careful. The fpc needs a buff. But if it gets buffed by a lot, the saron hrb will need to be nerfed.

"Taking more damage" is highly inaccurate, since it's a comparison that lacks an actual object of comparison. More than what? More than infantry?
Magrider taking the most damage out of the mbt is not a myth, and it being tied in the armor department with the prowler is correct as well. Makes no sense? Just think - it's acceptable to have multiple first- and last places in a tournament if they tie. Prowler takes the most damage out of the mbt. Magrider takes the most damage out of the mbt. Vanguard takes the least damage out of the mbt.

No.. that would be the Driver of any tank out there.

Magrider will remain the "Lots of light and show but no go" tank ...


Set your eyes on the NS Colossus, maybe it will finally give us a tank instead of this wierd hover mortar platform.

YAY, someone that understand Bayesian inference!


That said, they have released stats that basically show the VS have the highest proportion of AV certed Magriders with the Vanguard being second and the Prowler being last by a large margin. Then, if you go into any random zerg and do a count of the MBT's and how many of them have gunners, the TR end up always having the lowest 2/2 count (usually under 30%) while the VS have the highest count (usually over 80%).

Given that the Magriders are SOOO heavily outfitted and run 2/2 so much of the time, you'd think they'd be WORLDS ahead of the Prowler but they're not. In fact, they're really close which makes you go because the Prowlers are doing so well with just one person in the tank, and usually running a non-AV loadout.

How do these relate to the total count of tanks pulled?

If there's 7,2 Mag drivers for each 5,5 Vanguard drivers for each 4 Prowler drivers, then the proportions of gunners are the same per tank.

Back then the Magrider could sit in the most ridiculous of places and didn't have to worry because infantry only had dumbfire rockets (even when the G2G launchers came out, they were 1k and most people would just get the G2A because air was a SIGNIFICANTLY bigger problem). They didn't have all the lock-on spam, AV mana turrets, or air to deal with. Air would have been a problem if it wasn't dedicating 100% of its attention to farming infantry. On top of that MBT's were only worth 150xp/kill and another 100xp/person inside. So you'd get 350xp at MAX.

So the reality is that, the Magrider was king of the MBT simply because:

A) Infantry didn't have enough tools to properly deal with armor.
B) Because Air was too busy farming squishies and spawn camping to care to destroy a tank that was only worth 350xp.

Since then, they've increased the value of destroying MBT's, given the infantry more tools for destroying armor, and reduced ground pounding Air weapons enough that they're better off trying to destroy armor instead for points.


In other words, it was less of "the Magrider was OP because it could go everywhere" and more of "armor simply wasn't that big of a reward to warrant the effort".

Those numbers were users of the secondaries, not primary tank gun.

He was doing an analysis of how much people were using gunners as well as how well certed their tank was (inferred by the type and count of various MBT secondaries certed out).

Except for two things you've missed which is despite the so called "OP" Saron the magrider secondary don't kill more then the VG secondary and Magrider to be "balanced" with the other tanks have to use more 2/2 tanks then the other sides. So yes, if VS pull 2/2 tanks twice as often as the other factions they can be on equal balance on MBTs; go VS!

everybody keeps yelling "stats" as argument for "buff me nerf them".

None of them have any, NC least of all.

magburner needs a buff in fuel. And so does the harasser. The turbo nerf was stupid beyond belief.
Racer needs to have lower hover but have more sport like dampening/hover strenght.
Rival is good as it is perhaps 4 kp/h in strafe speed and reach 45 in revese instead of 40 (finall rival lvl isn't really worth it since the change is minimal)
Free look mode in 3rd person similar to how you look inside other vehicles in first person.

I don't see many magrider being pulled when i play. The few times they pull a bunch it's often by outfits and majority by seasoned players with a good certing into them. And with excelent knowledge how to use them. And even then they don't manage to hold a battle for long compared to the prowler which dominates as a frontline tank. And yes the Saron is an awesome gun. for range shoot with a 1 second interwall 100% accuracy. Get to close and spam the trigger 6 shoots and full damage in seconds. I think that is more like a main weapon then the acctual primary. It sure acts like it....

Similar with the vanguard it does and awesome jobb when the seasoned guys pull them but still once countered it falls fast.
It wouldn't surprise me if they looked at pulled vehicles that NC and VS has way more lightings pulled than MBT's compared to TR's MBT vs Lighting pull ratio.....At least on woodman :/

That one is funny. Good at choosing angles? More like forced to do so because unlike Vanguards and Prowlers you can hardly aim high enough to hit an ESF thats podding your face 10m above ground. Stabilized gun and all that? Screw it, give me a copy paste of the VG or Prowler turret instead.

Magrider AND Lancer.
They need balancing bad, but only thing SOE knows is nerfing.

Smart VS have been using Lightning:
If you use the Magburner in the Magrider, you wont get the smoke shield, in the Lightning you get speed and smoke. And Lightning is harder to hit and get into small spaces better then Mag, costs less too.

ALL VS STOP USING MAG UNTIL IT GETS BALANCED. Nobody is using Lancer anyway, so that is dead already...


And by the way, thanks for the nerf on the VS Max it is back to the crap performance is once was.

pfft you should see VS on woodman. Lancer volley fire = instagib strike for anyhting in it's path. It's almost as bad as the AV mana turret. It's a weapon with strenght in numbers since well. This is a team play oriented game.......... -.-

VS MAX is not crap despite popular belief (which is equal to fashion IRL thus not an opinion but just stupid zerg thoughts)
It's well rounded with good AV and AI weapons. It 's good for close, medium and even somewhat at longer ranges.
Yes the forced on function on the ZOE is to much they should remove that part. But you know SOE. they don't know what tweak is only a full nerf is possible. Just look at the harasser.

Magrider is by far the most terrifying tank to meet. You cannot C4 it, you pretty much have to use a lock-on launcher if you intend to fire outside of 10m(and then he'll run you over anyway if you don't). They're also by far the most annoying tanks in tank vs tank, a vanguard you know what's going to happen, but a Magrider might just die like a scrub or pull some mad 360 MLG maneuevers and either smash your backside or run away smoking while you rage.

I think if they give us omni-directional magburn that would certainly help. I mean we have the thinnest armor so why do we have to expose the thinnest part of our thin armor in order to escape certain death with magburn?

You have been run over by a magrider?????? I have TRIED to run over people with it hundreds of times (not exaggerating) and have yet to kill one. I have ran over friendlies trying to repair me as I had to maneuver to avoid enemy shots but never gotten an enemy, just floated over them....