As a Mag I will die to a Vanguard 4 out of 5 times in a 1v1...

Wait... are you making fun of me and my 4 gunners?

This is actually the truth. I'm fine with being careful around vannies... my ability to take out infantry is far superior than the vannie...

The biggest issue I have is why is the Mag so large and slow? Wouldn't you think a tank built for mobility would be smaller and quicker?

Because if your tank was any harder to hit, vannies wouldn't be beating them 1v1 and the entire concept of having a "tanky" tank would be redundant.

LOL I hear you. Give me mobility over firepower anyday. Its amazing how many threads can be closed by simply explaining how the user of weapon x played directly into weapon y's strength, while using weapon x at its weakest function.

8 seconds, ya right. Please use your brain and what little sense of game balance you have.

The magrider has lost its dancing jive. It is only useful if you can hide in the hills, and honestly the harasser just does that so much better.

The solution for magrider has nothing to do with the vanguard shield.

I'd rather see the solution in increased turn about speed and increased effectiveness of the main gun. When facing a pro magrider up close it should be hard to keep up with its dancing moves.

Started playing again over last couple of days still love my magrider, today took out 2 vanguards in a 2 v 1.

Vangaurds are easy as long as you do not shoot them in the front armor that is a waste of time. Magburn behind them and pop them.

Prowlers are more dangerous at close range best to kill them at range.

This. x1,000,000,000

I don't know how much that would skew Magrider vs. Prowler balance, or Magrider vs. Infantry balance (in which right now the Mag is sitting pretty), but that certainly would improve Magrider vs. Vanguard balance. Thank you for your constructive post!

Then you simply weren't fighting skilled and experienced Vanguard crews. I kill Vanguards all the time, even in 1 on 1 - the majority of which are not highly certed or highly skilled/experienced in using the Vanguard to the best of its abilities.

However, what would a skilled and experienced Vanguard driver would have done when you Magburned behind them? Pop shield, press S+A or D as soon as you begin the Magburn, and before you've even been able to bring your nose back around (due to slow turning speed) to engage his rear armor, his side armor is now facing you (no more rear armor bonus) and a split-second later, his super-high resist front armor is now facing you, leaving you now point blank with a tank that can do more damage to you and take more damage from you. Any shots your Saron gunner may have snuck into the rear armor while you were Magburning behind him were negated completely by the 3000 point damage shield.

What you just described (as have many before you in this thread) is certain death for your Magrider, against a skilled and experienced vanguard crew.

Mag should have the same elevation angle, higher velocities on its projectiles, and it's HE should be normalised with the others.

That's not even to speak of it's MBT vs MBT balance.

Agreed with op. As a guy that spends alot of time in my prowler hunting other tanks the vanguard shield is what usualy gets me killed.

The magrider seems fine atleast when i have been both up against it and used it myself but it dose need somthing done to the magburner (a buff of somekind) altho i still have nightmares of magriders ontop of every damn mountain from the start of the game.
but atm the magrider is the most fun to be up against they win if they manage to keep their distance i win if i get close to them.

The vanguard on the other hand needs somthing done with the shield atm its just a 8 sec shield with no drawbacks except the cd
most likly change that it needs is mobility drawback when you activate the shield longer time to turn with the main gun and the tank itself somthing in that fashion.

Guess what, shield.

Yeah, it should be an "oh sh*t" button to survive while allies save you/or not. But shooting main cannon and top gun for 8 seconds without taking any damage? That's just wrong.

Well you should try 1v1 vanguard with prowler . . .

I said this on your reddit post of the same topic, and i am going to say it again here. Post a picture of your Character screen that shows time used for the PC and FPC.

If you are using a PC and expect to win with any certainty against a Vanguard you are an idiot. If you are as good of a mag pilot as you claim. You wouldn't be whining here on the forums you would figure out a way to beat them.

Know your target if you are pushing NC pull a FPC cannon. Why you ask, becasue the biggest threat to the safety of your Magrider will be vanguards.

If you are pushing TR the biggest threat will be infantry with a slight emphasis on vehicles pull a PC.

Until you can prove that you have a decent amount of kills with the FPC i will consider you just another Whiner.

Nvm i dont even need you to post information about PC or FPC i forgot about Planetside-intel. Of you 11775 Magrider kills 11354 are from PC with only 11 from the FPC.

Yes, PLEASE lets nerf the Vanguard, because as of now it's the only ES thing NC side that isn't 3rd best in every possible role. The Vanguard obviously doesn't fit this pattern, and therefore, it must be fixed.

NC Role Performance = Bug or other unintended occurence

Dont forget the worst guns for long range combat. Others get cannons, we get mortars.

I don't spend a lot of time in vehicles so I am no expert on this particular subject but I have been in enough tank battles on here to know what some others have already said in this thread. You have to take advantage of what your tank does best. The magrider has a huge movement advantage over the other tanks so use the terrain (hills, trees, rocks, etc..) to help you win those fights. I've beaten Prowlers and Vanguards before and as I said, I am no expert in the vehicles.