As a Mag I will die to a Vanguard 4 out of 5 times in a 1v1...

Worse in acceleration, speed and agility YES.....

The ones that do agree with me stopped caring for such matters a long time ago because in the end nothing is ever done about the Vanguard. Since beta it has only seen nerf after nerf with a small armor boost which also happened for the other two MBTs. And the funny thing is that the only things we are asking for is better traction (so that we don't have the skiing mode all the time) and better gun stability (even tanks NOW have automatic stabilization, in the future i can't imagine why they have nothing of the short) two things which can't be called game breakers

Actually the gun is flipping around especially in places like Esamir. Now i don't know if there are vast areas of 100% FLAT terrain on any of the continents but so far i haven't found it. If we are talking about encounters up to 100m sure you may be able to land a few shots while moving and zooming in but over that there's only 1 MBT that can do so and that's the Magrider.

I'm tired of these stupid tribal threads that are complaining about something because it can't instagib everyone on the screen whilst the player is out of his head on ketamine.

So yeah, thats how to magrider and prowler in MBT engagements, in the holy "1 v 1 me faggert" situations of which legends fortell.

Yes the Mag fares porly at toe to toe engagements when you drive 10 meters up to a vanguard. Its not a 17th century man of war though, why the hell are you doing that in the first place.

The mag on the other hand has the mobility, if your to fast to shoot accurately, you might as well be made of adamantium and have the personal project of the buddha. Is what people fail to realize. Play to your strengths, not to your opponents.

God its so obvious, having to explain it at all makes me feel like im giving out 'basic Magrider combat practice 101' classes.

Now can we stop with these stupid 'Mag is UP' threads. Because its not, if your trying to go toe to toe with a vanguard, your ability to play the game and think tactically badly needs a buff.

Racer 3 vanguard = increase top speed by 10kph, increase forward/reverse acceleration, and increases torque!! which is extremely important going thru rough terrain.

Rival 3 vanguard = increase turn rate, improved brakes (which is negligible), and increase reverse top speed from 25 -> 28

Rival 3 vanguards are benefit most from midrange TvT slugfest or hulldown position. Personally i prefer using racer 3, as it much more versatile and allow VG to access hard to reach areas that stock/rival3 chassis could not.

it needs more than omni directional turbo to convince me to use it more than smoke discharge - especially with striker.

It goes back one of my favourite quotes, 'it would hardly be fish who discovered the existence of water' - Kluckhohn, 1949.

It is easier to find faults and advantages of something you face, just like it is extremely hard to describe your own self, you tend to be far more critical and objective reviewing something outside of the self. The NC MAX shield for example, I see some players using it very well(especially with squads).

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All I want for my magrider is an omni-directional magburner(or maybe just forwards and side to side). So tired of having a signature ability which does little else than allow me to charge into a certain death or having to turn around(and expose the rear armour) when trying to move away. It would be harder to hit but this window would only a few seconds, cause right now magburner is just MEH!

As a bonus, TR/NC players will be able to watch as our Lawnmowers of Doom roadkill VS infantry and topple other magriders over.

I want a rear view mirror.

There's nothing in this thread that proves Mags are gimped. LOL.

I find this one funny because it would be outrageously OP. Unless you can cause enough damage to destroy a vanguard in 17 seconds, that Vanguard is going to be at full health again by the time the shield cycles through.

I mean, if you can't shoot guess what the gunner and driver are going to be doing?

Wat.

The Magrider's laughably low projectile velocity doesn't agree with you. The Vanguard and it's high tank-ability at brawling range also doesn't agree with you.

I am a new player to this game but find it somewhat funny that VS players complain about the mag rider.

It is a different type of tank and allows a certain tactical usage not possible with any other tank. The terrain advantage it gives you is so important when doing a siege I am somewhat amused to see how many here complain.

Maybe when we take the sliding, terrain movement, as well as stabilized gun away and also turn the VS max into a less ueber weapon you will be more happy because then we all use the same equipment just with different looks?

Keep in mind where the Mag might have less an advantage your Max is more than ruling the field in close to medium range.

I generally dont like to drag up stats and such when discussing things like this(I like to check things out though) but I have to ask, is this you?

https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5428010917264387009/stats

If it is, do you have any NC alts that also use the Vanguard? Or perhaps a VS that you play Magrider with?
Reason im asking is because your stats show that you pretty much never fight against VS... You have killed 2033 TR but only 639 VS, in total. With the Vanguard you have killed 1025 TR but only 319 VS and have a total of 643 vehicle kills with it.

I mean how many of those could have been Magriders and how many are recent?
Unless you have some alt character that you only fight VS with I at least wont continue to discuss things with you. I dont see how your opinion on the Magrider isnt just a old illusion from when it was actually kinda good, back in the days when NC were to stupid to use their shield on the Vanguard... aaah, those were the days, when seeing a Vanguard with Shield was one of the more rare things to see in game.

So yeah, you can consider this a win if you want but I will try not to bother with your posts anymore unless you have these alts where you actually have experience with or against Magriders and not just some random encounter that happens now and again with what is more likely than not a very experienced Magrider crew. This conclusion is taken because you dont seem to go to VS territory that often and the only Magriders that would go out and survive would be the better ones. Also the only Magrider I could see that has killed you recently was someone that had spent like 230 something hours driving the thing, clearly a good target to base on how Magriders handle against Vanguards.

Well, if this is indeed him, it's no wonder the stats are skewed in that direction, considering TR on Miller have been overpopulating the server for months.

Here's mine:
https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5428010917251697713/stats

Guess my gameplay is more balanced than him, but still, the skewed stats may have to do with the server status than anything else.

Well obviously the Omni-Directional Turbo would have to be extremely fast so it could literally avoid the rockets coming at you. That would be the way I would do it, not some little dinky boost lol

if you're a new player i'd suggest trying out the magrider before declaring it's completely OP

My "main" is also on Miller so I know all about the TR, I also have more TR kills but mine are 5339 TR and 4839 NC. I dont think its normal to have a bit more than 3 times as many kills against one faction compared the the other even if its just that he really hates TR but when the same guy is talking about balance in the Vanguard / Magrider matchup it just stinks.

He doesnt fight them, he probably doesnt drive them so what sort of view aside from what others say can he possibly have of the Magrider?

You use the Magrider, do you feel the strafe is good enough to dodge shells and makes up for being so slow, little situational awareness(no 3rd view quick look around), bad or very situational special(Smoke is usually way more usefull), the slow bullets and probably a few more things?

I dont mean if you can make the Magrider work, because I can do that too but if I put in the same effort in the Lightning or Vanguard/Prowler I can do much much better. You dont feel the same?

I have been getting sick of VS lately, a lot of our stuff is "easy to use" but there is little room to grow on it. If you play a Lightning/Vanguard/Prowler and learn to aim decently while moving I see no reason at all to want to go back to a Magrider. Its like the Magrider is a bike with training wheels making it easy to move around on at first while the other MBTs are full scale mountain bikes. Harder to use at first but every one knows what bike you would want to have in the end.

I have 5 alts but this is my primary account, the others are BR4 through BR7, i almost never touch those. However i have played with the Magrider a few times and even almost entirely uncerted i can dodge shots from Vanguards easily by strafing from 250-300m away. The same can't be said about them. Do i win in the end ? Well since i've used it only a few times to check its agility i don't try much but that alone proves that if i was to max out the Magrider and got serious it would be a killing machine from 250m and above.

Skewed stats ?

And yes the TR have been overpopulating Miller, however recently the VS have taken their place.

Working as intended. Your tank is infinitely superior for killing infantry and far more manuverable.

If beating Vanguards in 1v1 was the norm, like it was a few months ago, that's when you know something is wrong. Honestly, with how utterly crap our tank is at infantry killing, how slow our tank is, how utterly terrible it is at climbing hills, being able to slightly edge out a magrider with a fully certed shield is the least we can ask for.

Nah. VS on Miller are on a constant third place, population wise.

http://sirisian.com/planetside2/population.php?world=10&timezone=0&allfactions=false

Mostly worthless post so feel free to skip unless you have nothing to do.


A good Magrider driver is a schizophrenic paranoid pesimist with a bad habit of weighing all options ALL the time and still second guessing every decision.

Personality 1: See that Lightning?
Personality 2: Yes...?
Personality 1: It hasnt spotted us yet, we could kill it, easy.
Personality 2: hmmm but what if it spots us and tries to escape? We cant catch it..
Personality 1: No, it will be fine! We are just going to glide over there and quickly do the 1-2 from behind and then run back again. No worries.
Personality 2: Alright! lets do this!
Personality 3: NO!!!!! ARE YOU CRAZY!?
Personality 1&2: But...
Personality 3: NO BUTS!!! There is probably 3 more tanks hiding behind that hill!!
Personality 1: No, I dont think so... they would have done something by now then.
Personality 2: But we dont know, there might be more tanks coming... we wouldnt stand a chance!
Personality 3: How long is it since you looked behind us?
Personality 1: Uh, I dont know... I dont see how that has anyth-
Personality 3: LOOK BEHIND US!!! QUICKLY! THEY ARE FLANKING US!!!
Personality 2: OH MY GOD!! OH MY GOD!! OH MY GOD! THEY COULD BE PUTTING C4 ON US RIGHT NOW! TURN AROUND!!!
Personality 1: Crap! I dont think they are but lets check!
Personality 1: See, there is no one behind us.. you guys worry too much.
Personality 2: OH MY GOD!! OH MY GO- Oh... yeah, there is no one behind us! We are alive!!

*KA-BOOOM*

Personality 2: OH MY GOD! What was that!?
Personality 3: YOU FOOL!!! You turned around and now the LIGHTNING is shooting at us from behind!!!
Personality 4: Use the BOOSTER!
Personality 1: We can probably kill it! Lets turn around and fight!
Personality 2: But it shot us in the rear armor, do you really thing we should stay and fight? What if-
Personality 4: Use the BOOSTER!
Personality 3: ....Did you guys hear that?! It sounded like an ESF!! WHY DONT WE HAVE THE AA SECONDARY!?
Personality 4: Use the BOOSTER!


Only by mastering these voices can you actually use the Magrider effectively.
(Anyone still thinking this is a serious post should.. uh.. drive a Magrider, you are already crazy enough to do it well)

The Vanguard is op. Everyone knows it's op but it isn't broken. You can have a squad of lancer HAs accompanying your magriders. Vanguards can't dodge lancer shots. Magriders can easily dodge dumb fire rockets and break lock-on. They can also easily kill phoenix users. Which means...the vanguards have to charge your lines and leave their HAs to catch up while you pound them in that time interval.

People don't realize that yes, the Vanguard can beat a tank 1v1, but other tanks are better at handling infantry. Rarely is there a 1v1 fight in this game, the slowness and ease-of-targeting balance it out with it's "tanky" personality. It needs a supporting cast to take on infantry as well, whereas a mag or prowler can roflstomp the infantry as well as other vehicles.