I went up head to head with a TR max last night and only did approximately 500 damage to it, in close range on death screen. He had two mini guns .I had two hacksaw or better call it now Dull saws. I hit all shots on him close range. The same thing happened long time ago against Vanu max and on death screen 500 approximately I did damage only. Just give us then vanu or Tr guns , because the shotguns right now are ****. Some regular Infantry shot guns can 1 shot kill, on all factions, but our NC max cannot.