You don't seem to get it. I am the MAX. Because I know they're overpowered, I play them often. Nanites don't limit me. I survive so long as MAX that the cost is irrelevant and always worth it. There aren't counters. No single player will reliably kill me. It definitely does take multiple players to kill me. So I always come out ahead.
Two simple AV grenades soften so much that a fart can kill them. It also flushes any possible engineers close to repair them. How many rooms have I cleaned like that XD You don't play heavy? LA? Smokes annoy the hell out of MAXes. Also got that juicy C4 Engie? Tank mines are devastating against them. or C4. They dislike sticky nades for some reason. it's bad for the health of their pocket engie. Medic? C4. Infil? what the hell are you doing? XD Use your darts/sensor to point where the MAXes are!! Or Flank and backstab and run. A lot. How else do you want to kill them? With the knife?? They spent nanites to get equipement, it's only fair you spend a few to counter them...
Yes that's exactly what I'm suggesting. Did you see my post with the Space Marine Terminator images? The MAXs would only be effective at short range versus infantry, one melee arm and one inaccurate short-ranged spammy gun with bad damage drop-off. They would have to march up to breakup a defensive line, if you let them get to you, you're F'ed though. In exchange for this limitation, they become more resistant to standard weapons and explosives so that they are still able to push up and have an impact on the fight. They still can't cap any points and won't be winning any battles on their own because they will be vulnerable to ranged enemies. This of course would mean a massive cert refund on MAX anti-infantry weapons. But now introduce a few different melee arms, such as one that is faster for attacking infantry and one that is slower but does more damage to other MAXs (and vehicles if you get close enough) Then build logic into the equipment screen for the MAX that if you equip an anti-infantry weapon, you are restricted to a melee weapon on the other arm. Then we'd probably have to deal with the MAX AV weapons in some artificial way (lower damage but with vehicle multipliers like the phoenix/lancer), because players would just switch to those to kill infantry at range.
I'm facing everyone. From organized to rabble. They all die unless they dramatically outnumber me (at which point we're not discussing MAX balance, but population balance.) It doesn't matter who you are, the rules of the game are set up in such a way that the MAX has a massive advantage over a non-MAX player.
Short answer: Playing MAX is fun, and FUN is a Major issiue in every game. So MAXES add FUN to the game!!!! I mainly play vehicle, or max.... so i need the max for fun. =)
TLDR there are tons of SINGLE soldier counters to a MAX which do not instantly imply a "must always win" dynamic ... skill is involved (you may not be used to that part), and the skill disparity impacts the encounter more than the class chosen. eg HA vs MAX "howto" --> Rocket, Conc Gren, Primary Weapon till done. LA, Medic, HA ... etc etc vs MAX "howto" --> Its called C4, place infront of probable path (use "baiting"), push button. All of which cost pittance next to the MAX They are not overpowered GODS, and can quite easily be 1v1'd with simple planning and/or thinking. Yah huh ... sure ... and there are also apparently no weapons of mass destruction ... please ignore the man behind the curtain... every MAX thread you're involved in eventually turns into you yelling/spamming "I HAZ STATS STATS DON'T LIE" bollocks.... every time because you are unable to fathom anything outside of KD. This thread will probably go the same way as all Axehilt thread.. calling it now.
Usually I just treat MAX units as Infantry-sized vehicles. Use stealth and a gratuitous helping of explosives. 1 C4 instagibs a MAX without flak, 2 will instagib one with flak. I have more MAX kills as a LA than any other class I play because of this mindset. THIS is the tactical benefit of having a Light Assault in a squad. Heavy assaults have rockets yes, but will likely die while they're lining up a shot. Also, a headshot with an underbarrel grenade launcher does about 1/2 a MAXs HP. TLDR: Won't cry about MAXs so long as they don't cry about C4. Also UBGLs are sick.
yeah, but PS1 was about limits, spec'ing your toon to fill a specific job, either you wanted to main a MAX, BFR, Tank, Heavy Assault....it wasnt PS2's entitlement theory where everyone has access to everything all the time from everywhere, no limits on anything.....
Personally with 900+ hours in a MAX .. C4 is in a good place (read as "deploy and fire timer are fine ...")... if I miss it .. well its my fault and probably deserved to die .. and kudos to the victor. Crafty players utilizing the environment and situational awareness (or lack thereof) are rewarded for their efforts normally. Trying to jetpack above me in an open area without any forethought ... well welcome to sit-the-f*ck-down town.
The objective data says MAXes are overpowered. If you're on the other side of the argument, you're just wrong. Personally I don't understand how someone can even take up a side of an argument where all evidence points to their being wrong. Why would you do that? Don't you care about truth? Not to mention the game would just logically be much deeper if MAXes were balanced, because you'd have a better variety of classes. I wouldn't have any problem with balanced MAXes. If I die to a tank, I can pull an aircraft to kill it. If I kill someone in a MAX there is nothing they can do to stop that -- all counters require multiple players to bring me down (or simply being MAX and killing me straight-up, but hopefully we all understand how degenerative and shallow it makes the game if the game rules cause everyone to pick the same class.)
Alright then, people, WE GET IT. MAXes are broken and have no place in Planetside. BFRs were stupid, but these days MAXes are nearing BFR status. And that worries me
Your "objective data" is not objective, as has been pointed out in a plethora of threads that you previously drove into the ground by constantly repeating this line like it validates EVERYTHING ... which it doesnt. Also called it.... one post ... new record.
The data is objective. It's automatically collected. The game was played, stats were logged, and we can view those stats. It's an unbiased, objective accounting of what actually happened. If you're ignorant of a topic, then you probably shouldn't post about it. Educate yourself. You don't even understand the definition of the most basic terms being used here, and then you go and Duning-Kruger your way into claiming objective data isn't objective?
Actually, depending on whether you'd see BR 20(2003), 23(~2005) or 25(2006) as the max rank you had 24-27 Certs. Unimax was 6, Heavy Assault 4 (7 with Reinforced Exosuit) therefore you still had plenty of certs to specialise into something else. But you are right, PS1 was a bit better in this respect because it didn't give low BR players inferior weapons and also limited being eventually able to cert into everything*. If you wanted to specialise into something new you could simply drop your certs - 1 cert every 6 hours OR recert all once every major patch. ---- *Let us pretend the utterly *trusted companion* decision of SOE to introduce BR40 didnt happen...
I have no issue with MAX units, I just think that they're a bit too easy to acquire now with the lack of cooldown timer.
and PS1 had the vehicle driver kit....which really helped limit vehicles. ofc, there was still no shortage of them, but it helped a bit. I dont recall ever seeing like we get in PS2 where there is so many tanks in one spot you cant even drive without driving over each other....
I have my knife, it'll be fiiine. Seriously though, dont think them MAX units love the EMP. If you ask me EMP should ground a MAX unit for a small amount of time (cant move or fire for 2 seconds, or something like). As it stands it just makes it hard to aim.
Heh I'm ignorant .. great stuff ... the reason I don't argue with you is because its been done and rehashed in this forum so many times your ignorance is only over-shadowed by your apparent masochism to once more go through the same process of people proving you wrong. Which is promptly followed by you just regurgitating the same incorrectly referred to data as "law" until everyone gives up. Your posting history is full of this inability to see beyond hard stats, or even contemplate the variables not recorded such as situation, personal skill, latency, supported, unsupported ... the list goes on and on. What you do is not an argument or discussion it is simply you wearing everyone out to the point they don't care about your incorrect opinion and your inability to see how wrong you are. Your simple "There aren't counters. No single player will reliably kill me" is a great indicator of your inability to see beyond your nose and any other point of view, despite is being explained to you numerous times. Long version short. I don't care to formally reply to you as its proven time and time again fruitless, a fools errand (look I can use wiki links too .. that makes my point valid right?). This is something you continue to prove that in every topic to stonewall to death with your own inability to correctly correlate data and the real (game) world. Shorter Version still .. you don't argue or converse with people you talk at them, and the forum would be better off without you constantly posting the same overdone garbage in every thread that contains the word "MAX".
