Anymore Proof VS is OP?Seriously Enough is Enough

Are you sure you wanna go down this road about faction balance ?? This gonna evolve in a rather boring thread which i'm not willing to bother myself with. In the end of the day we are fewer in numbers (which sucks) and the controversy is we manage to pull out a decent fight (not necessarily winning). Even funnier thing is that it's you, the overpopulated zerg that cries for nerfs and can's seem to adapt.

And you can't seem to understand numbers so I would not expect to have anything bordering a intelligent discussion with you. So I will put you on ignore to save myself from ever having to stain my eyes with your drivel again.

Why should he? Actually it was you who was blowing something out of proportion by failing to look at even one metric correctly. On that basis you went on posting the false notion of VS having "almost no recoil", got called out on it and now you blame him for not including everything else?

When you hold 100 bullets it doesn't matter how long your reload takes. See what I did there? Am I doing it right? No, of course not. Obviously it matters how long a reload takes. Just as much as it matters how large a mag is. A lot of VS players actually leave the Orion behind for the LSW or the SVA-88. Why? Well, I can tell you this much: It isn't about the looks of the weapon model.

No matter how many random scenarios you list: At the end of the day the VS reload time gets them some kills in certain situation while the TR's bigger magazines do the same for them in other situations.

Also, if you have a shield to activate you are playing a HA and the HA does not have an automatic weapon which reloads in less than 2 seconds. Just saying...

Wait, really? You just circled back to recoil, which is what he replied to in the first place but you never answered it then. Sigh

LMFAO...First of all you can't even keep the mouse down.


2nd of all ORION has faster Strafing when ADS (Huge advantage),


3rd of all, lets see hipfire recoil/accuracy, that matters a lot with LMG's.....Orion is better at that from my experience.

Double the magazine......lol you make it sound like is amazing.

The Orion is so accuarate, it doesn't need 50 rounds more....The reload is so amazing that you can easily run away and reload super quick.

With CARV, once you have to reload, you are screwed.


The only advantage Carv has, is that Carv has overall more ammo....but thats really it to be honest.

1. wat?
2. Sure cause obviously aiming at someone with twice the clip size as him is problematical
3. Too much bother to hold down the right mouse button -> complain that you cant hit a damn thing. Sounds perfectly legit bro.

Words words words words
You come up with an excuse for the most idiotic things, such as not being able to hit ppl while not actually aiming at them, and then disregard that you have twice the magazine size like "you make it sound like its amazing".
See thats exactly the issue here.

lol you don't need 100 bullets to kill somebody....1 vs 1 LMG vs Orion, the orion will win mid to long distance because of faster Strafing speed while ADS......But keep living in your fantasy world.


I used the Carv since August, is not a horrible gun at all, is good in hipfire combat...but the Orion is much better in hipfire, just the accuracy/recoil/etc makes the ORION a superior gun in close hipfire action.


Words? Not hitting people while not aiming at them?.....What does that mean?......Twice magazine doesn't mean anything, I rather have a more accurate hipfire weapon that reloads on the dime.

Im sorry but you are sorta lacking something called evidence and/or proof.
You are sort of mistaking something here. There is no matching point for skill and numbers.
The only time any TR or NC gave me a hard time was when they were in an organized platoon. Other than that the average NC and TR has the common sense of a rock, shown by (amongst the many) whine threads about how magriders can strafe and avoid shots at 500m, and you poor things die because you refuse to move and cant figure out the fact that your turret can be turned completely unrelated to vehicle facing.

No bro.
There are some skilled players amongst you that i know by name on woodman cause i keep on dieing to them.
Other than that, im sorry. Even in this thread, TR is making counter arguments like

basically complaining that they cant hit people when they are not actually aiming at them, but merely shooting in their direction.

To have any form of discussion, you need hard evidence.
There is nothing to talk about till then, cause you have your own opinion and i have mine.
To be able to decide between them rationally, we would need facts. Not impressions.

Not Aiming at people?....lol

So cross hairs is not aiming at people.....Come on, seriously?




and I never said Carv sucked at hipfire...never...just saying Orion is better at it.







I have evidence.

Without a Doubt, I have never felt so OP and I been Playing TR since August Beta.

So today I decided to try out my Vanu HA that is 100% stock...From the Orion to the Armor/Shield.


I was surprised to feel so OP....Keep in mind, Im used to lvl 5 Adrenaline shield and guns with laser sights, yet I completely owned as a stock Vanu HA.

Here are the pics.



It was really 18 kills in around 7 minutes...I took this pic like a minute later.....Thats 23 certs lol...No boost, No subscription.

I got all those kills running around Rambo style, no camping or anything....Im good at hipfire combat.



Proof my gun and HA is 100% stock



Proof I just started this Character....Well Started before, but I never really played him.



Proof I got most of my kills from the Orion...It says I got a few more kills because before I took this pic, I went with another rampage using the stock Orion HA.



Proof I didn't get it from the OP Magrider.....I wish the Scythe had stats so I could show u that as well.


As you can see, Im very shocked as I been playing TR for a long time, and my HA is fully developed....Yet a stock Vanu is way better.



Now like I said I play this game Hipfire Rambo style......This is how I played my vanu, it was me vs NC/TR.....

The ORION is so **** GOOD....The RoF and the amazing hipfire accuracy, sorry but the Carv is not even in the same category as the orion....Hell the MSW(The close combat LMG) might not be as good as a 100% stock Orion.

The only draw back from the orion is perhaps the 50 round magazine but considering how fast I reload....and the fact the gun is so accurate so all the bullets hit....Is not really a problem....Actually the problem is that they don't give you enough 50 round magazines so you will run out of ammo after you are done killing people, that happened to me.


Just Imagine how good, i would of been with lvl 5 Adrenaline shield/a laser sight on my Orion...Hell imagine if I had better Vanu HA gun which I know they have.

inb4 people start crying about the Carv and how TR is really OP......Carv sucks, I would trade you guys for the Orion...No doubt about it.

You repeat the same argument and i cant approve it no matter how much you want it.
Its obvious that you have your own play style, but am sorry: I've never shot that damn orion or for the same matter ANY weapon without looking down the aim. I have my relaxed 1.6 k/d ratio, keep failing against explosives and vehicles, but at times i get kill streaks 10 people long.

Cant related to your issue.
I would never try to ASD hip kill someone, especially not with an MG on heavy.

So you use ADS all the time...Yeah thats how I know your not a good player lol.

It all make sense.

1.6 k/d ratio...lol, u probably camp all the time as well.

I have 2.6 k/d ratio..........All I use hipfire HA.


Yeah your lack of knowledge of HA/Hipfiring tells me you don't know much about the game so your opinion is pretty much worthless when it comes to talking about weapons being OP or not.

There is no evidence here bro
Showing me a random kill table while on a vanu toon?
And what now? Should i take your word on it that you have issues on TR and that TR sucks?
Sorry i wont. I trust what i can see, not what others are mad about, but even if i would, and let me underline this for you: Even if i would assume that you are completely right, i would still question the idea that a perfectly fine weapon needs to be nerfed down to the level of something that is (seemingly) bugged.

And im sorry, what are we talking about here?
All you people ever do is post your impressions and opinions. NEVER EVER a damn proof or evidence with it.
Magrider is OP you say?

Seems there are people with a bit of common sense that have no issues with it.

You say that Orion is op cause its much more accurate?

Seems it shares the exact same recoil with the carv while the carv has larger clip size to it.

So im sorry, but its your turn to actually post something that resembles evidence of the fact that there are differences.
I sure as hell wont create a TR toon just to prove you that i can earn 18 kills in 7 minutes too (which is ******** in its own cause its only depending on the activity of the area you are in).
So by all means. Please go on and create or post a video that proves your point, cause to me, its nothing more than baseless whining with the assumption that only you die to VS and VS cant die to you.

All the proof is now shown even more from the empire showdown, they was out in full force. Hey even the developers seem to favor VS, like the battle of Bastien, on most servers VS already had this capped, and it's closer to their base, so how does that make it a fair fight for the other empires?

On Miller they had pretty much 50% of the population, yet the empire show down challenges favored VS much more, making these challenges which favor VS more makes the situation much worse.

It seems even the developers are making this much easier for VS now as well.

Thank you for contradicting your own argument.
I am a vanu, i play at my own pace and have 1.6 k/d and am perfectly fine with it.
Yet. You with your 2.6 are here in this topic, crying about the fact that you wont get enough kills and that you die too much to VS.

You should rename this topic to "I am mad cause i cant get enough kills and cant avoid enough deaths to satisfy my epeen, so i am going to blame the weapons of the other factions because of it".
There is nothing more to this discussion.

The ******** idea that you wont hit ppl by not aiming at them, but instead hip firing all the time...



Try aiming.
You have my respects for having a k/d of 2.6 by just hip-firing and essentially spraying your opponents, but honestly.
There is so much wrong with your post that its painful to even reply to it.

If vanu is "OP" in your server then you got to see them at mattherson, TR and NC make it almost impossible for us to take anything, almost all the time I log in the TR and the NC are full pushed to our warpgate and we cant do anything until they are gone or we get a lot of reinforcements.

Sorry to disappoint you, but if you read up on the development of the game, you will find pictures and a lot of talk about the fact that most of the devs are actually TR fanboys (a bit more than the half of the dev team).
And dont assume i am unreasonable, but all these topics ever present is: "I have the impression that vanu is op"
Kthx and what are you basing that on? "I die to them more than i want to"
wut...

Sorry. Impressions are not enough for anyone considering that the OP is usually butt mad at vanu for dieing and spells frustration with 32 Fs.
Know what would be finally constructive towards such topics?
If one would request the devs to post the actual and correct values for the weapons.
And then we would have something we could talk about.

Not before.

I never said Vanu is op regarding weapons. Just saying things are much easier VS in the mass, and doing this sort of thing from the devs don't help, this makes more of these threads come up.

Huh?

Im stating the fact that the ORION is better than CARV...and that Overall VS is the most powerful faction.

Never said I didn't get enough kills.

Just stating that I do better with the ORION, that from my testing the ORION is better than the CARV in every possible way except having less ammo overall....

As for me having a higher K/d Ratio than you...It has nothing to do with u being vs and me being tr...Im simply better than you, im sure of that.


Lastly Why do u make it seem like hipfiring isn't a valid tactic...lol


You do know accuracy/recoil etc effect hipfiring, right?....Is not like your not aiming at you make it seem, it is Aiming except is not ADS.

The reason I hipfire and not ADS is because in very close quarter situtations strafing is needed and ADS makes you strafe slow.


I doubt a person of your caliber however will know anything about the HA tactics.


Just get out of the OP talk if you don't know that hipfire is a valid tactic....Thnx

Sorry but sort of unable to do so, while all you are basing your points on is your opinion.
I have my opinion too: You are wrong
And then the entire discussion proceeds into the endless reaches of determining who has the more valid opinion.

Am sorry, but once you actually have grasped this fact and managed to understand that it wont lead anywhere, please feel free to post some evidence that is not based on your opinion, or random pictures about getting 10 kills after 7 minutes which still makes me lol.
Know what would be constructive?
Asking the devs for the actual numbers of the weapons involving all parameters.
Then we would have something solid and valid to talk about instead of your opinions, impressions and hurt epeen issues.
Thanks

Also: Im completely open in regards of how you intend to fix the issue.
Want vanu have less aim and more damage? Or increase their clip size too?
Want to generalize all faction weapons down to the exact same stats?
Do you also intend to do the same to all ESFs and MBTs by the standard notion of killing all and any diversity to the game? Feel free to address these thoughts too, once you have actually posted something that proves the point you are trying to make here.