Any news on toning down/tweaking Orion and betelgeuse SOE?

I have posted in various threads concerning the rebalancing all manner of weapons, not that you would know of course. I was against buffing the MCG a while ago, for example. In this case the statistics speak for themselves.

No, they might be overpowered, they might not be - no way to tell using those statistics. I use the Orion as much as the next guy, almost have my Auraxium actually. Which is why I also know that it is the best LMG atm.

I was specifically talking about Q4 KPU, where the Anchor and Polaris are roughly equal. It is a weird statistic, highly dependent on auraxium-seeking top HA players and the like.

I got auraxed MSW-R, so I know thats the best LMG in the game.

See how it works?

What you think isnt the absolute truth as much as I know you would like it to. The moon is purple cause I think it is.

I'm not pulling the "I've used it so I know so therefore nerf", I was accused of being in the "everything that kills me needs a nerf" group. I simply stated that I have used it and am using it a lot myself and therefore I would be affected as much as the next Vanu player. The only argument for a nerf is in the statistics.

And when those statistics are used elsewhere, you grabbed for conjecture to explain why those statistics didn't count.

If you can't or won't understand why they aren't comparable, I can't possibly explain why.

With no .75 ADS and SPA, just saying (I think that .75 ADS is the main argument here).

Thank you for the correction. Seriously.

What if i tell you TR and NC bullet only drops after 90~120m ?

i think we can all agree, at four pages in, that this is just another ******** troll thread. and i know, they probably started the first time somebody got killed with something, and they will continue to pop up until the end of ******* time. upon seeing how nerfs are handed out, these people have somehow imagined that SOE has a wonnnnnnnnnnnderful nerf machine in their offices, and allllllllllll the good boys and girls have to do, is feed it tears of righteous indignation.

10/10 for successful troll. I'm surprised it's not locked already.

... But it is purple! :O

My eyes are watery from the valiant defense of the VS ITT.

So many of our things are bad and they just keep nerfing

We could also argue that for the price of that drop we usually have significantly slower velocity, which is actually a more impacting stat than bullet drop at those medium range he's so attached to.
Ranges where incidently the higher move+still CoF of the VS LMGs might actually become a factor compared to say, a MSW-R.
Additionally, the MSW-R would fare a tad better in the sustained dps department, with a significantly better reload time (both short and full reload) than the Orion, which matters on a LMG with 143tier and small clip, as shown by the Betelgeuse. But let's forget about all that, shall we?

I like how the OP put an "objectively" in hist post though.

This is misleading in several ways. First of all you are using KPU stats, which are great for starting investigations but are overall useless as it is based in popularity. KPH is a great stat, but is useless alone. Pair KPH with Uniques and AVG BR and you have a fuller picture. Uniques indicates that the Orion is used nearly 700% more than the Anchor (because it is a stock weapon) and the Orion is pulled 350% more than the MSWR. The AVG BR is the most important, however, and shows that the Anchor is used by players that are generally more skilled than the Orion and MSW-R users (Skill tends to correlate with BR).

Further more, any good performance that the Orion pulls off is diluted and covered by the thousands of unskilled users that have the weapon. The Anchor is less likely to be misused because of the 1000 cert tag, which are weapons generally only used by the upper BRs. The MSWR has a higher BR as well, but only slightly so because of the 100 cert tag, making it easier to unlock for noobs.

Here's the catch, if we look at the trends for the CARV and SAW compared to the Orion we see a telling picture. There are less CARVs pulled than Orions/SAWs (tied in uniques). AVG BR tells that the Orion is perferred by higher BR players, and has been since the beginning of recorded data. CARV and SAW are nearly the same in terms of BR and have been close or trading position for quite awhile. KPH is as you would expect, slanted in the favor of the Orion.

However, the question is whether or not the gap in KPH is because of on average more skilled users or the effectiveness of the weapon. We don't have stats per BR or Q4 KPH so I guess we can't effectively measure the weapons because of their status as defaults.

It's fine the way it is IMO. It's a good solid LMG, but nothing amazing to write home about.

It's because all the VS LMG's aside from the SVA and Orion are trash in comparison.

In other news the sky is blue :|

Except in China, the sky is gray there.

They're nerfing the PPA...now you want them too continue nerfing us into the ground? L2P