Pro Tip: If a lib is higher than 300m then then lib will not be able to hurt infantry as they are out of render range. same goes for 600m with tanks / transports. It is impossible for libs to carpet bomb from out of render range, If they could do that then us flyers would not have as much of a problem with the range of AA. so, by your words, If an ESF decides to shoot anything (IE fly in a straight line) then it deserves to die? that max has what, 2k certs in it? 4k if you have everything you need for a DB max to be effective? My ESF has about 15k certs into it now and it costs more resources to pull, why is the DB max better or equal to my aircraft? On top of that I have at least one more demention of movement (if not all dementions of movement as maxes tend to sit still wile shooting) to think in wile trying to keep a bead on target wile trying not to get shot down by almost everything in this game. meanwhile your max, who can be revived if killed and can easily stack with numbers into a instant kill burster wall clearing all air in a 4 hex radius should be equal to my ESF? And you think the max has a similar skill curve as an ESF? that is just laughable. Then you go and say you never get killed by AA, just other pilots... but then you talk about running into trees... /rant If you are being spawncamped, its time to move on. Why people just sit in the shild when they are clearly out numbered and have no chance is beyond me.. but keep giving others free kills lemmings. also, 'lolpods' are not as effective as the vortex due to all the nerfs when fighting infantry. It sounds like you are the noob, maybe try and get into an ESF of your own to clear the sky... if only using an A2A ESF was better than a handful of bursters on the ground.