[Vehicle] The A few thoughts on the bike that went from garbage to glam, in 0.1 second. As well as Magriders.

Exileant · Oct 26, 2019

Slandebande said: ↑

“Haha aye, sorry for that, I tend to get a bit long-winded when I get caught up in debates/discussions. I hope you managed to get through the wall intact I did follow your example and put a few smilies in there, to (hopefully) make it a bit easier on the eyes!

It was in no way how I meant it, and in hindsight I can totally see what sort of first-impression it can give. It is duely noted, and I apologize for it

If you want to be able to deal with fighters (or aircraft in general) you either have to be in terrain permitting you to angle your tank upwards, or equip a Walker/Ranger. Good luck trying to find someone to gun for you with those weapons on top though

Also, I don't find the TR to be a special case in regards to needing AA to deal with fighters, since all three factions have them and they are all threatening for ground vehicles. Things might be different on your server of course, so I cannot speak for that

You are right, I didn't consider the aspect of being able to hold down the trigger with the Prowler. However, with the other two MBTs (and the Lightning) you only have to release your finger for a split-second during the reload (I think it is after 33% or 50% of the reload is complete) and press down again, and you will fire at the exact time the reload finishes, meaning you won't lose DPS. As you correctly say, that does require additional brain power compared to simply being able to hold the trigger, but you will have a window of more than 1½ seconds to let go and press the trigger again, which should be possible. A small bit of practice and it should become muscle memory. It is a valuable point for new tankers though, which I will gladly agree with.

Ah fair enough, if his gunner was still firing in the other direction I can see it happening much easier It was the scenario with a 2/2 Magrider (well certed) losing to an uncerted Prowler (except for you buying weapons of course) that I found unrealistic. It sounds like you gained an advantage, and knew how to press it (I didn't quote the entire thing to make my post slightly shorter). Well played!

It is often possible to use the Magburn to climb terrain much quicker, however, it has to be done in a specific way. I assume you've noticed you cannot use the Magburn when you are already trying to climb a cliff or similar obstacles (or, well you can use it of course, but it has no / barely any effect). However, if you try using the Magburn prior to starting your climb, you can use the gained momentum to scale the cliff much faster. Be warned, this is a bit unreliable in that controlling your ascent can be difficult (if not random) and you are prone to flipping. Be careful doing it with your last tank at 0 nanites, but try practicing a bit in VR.

Another way it can be used is by not using it prior to start your climb, but after you have climbed say, halfway. You then turn the Magrider sideways (perhaps angled SLIGHTLY downwards), and then engage the Magburn and immediately start turning towards the top of the cliff. You should gain momentum since you "tricked" the engine (game engine, not the Magriders engine ) into thinking you aren't using it to scale cliffs.

Generally climbing cliffs is about using momentum properly, and estimating the best path upwards. There are usually numerous different approaches to getting up on a cliff, but they will vary in the speed in which you can use them to climb. Some might be easier to perform with less experience, but be noticably slower. Similarly, others might be harder to do properly, or there might be an increased risk of getting stuck / flipped.

A good (and fun thing) to practice, is getting into places that are clearly too narrow for your Magrider to fit in. I'll use an example from my play yesterday. I don't know about your knowedge of the maps, so if something is too uncertain, feel free to ask: On Indar, move to the "Hvar Southgate Garrison", and move to the outside of the base (away from Hvar Tech). Then move to the southernmost tower, and notice the gap between the cliffs and the tower itself. You will most likely think something like "How am I ever going to get a Magrider through that?". Well the answer involves taking advantage of the hovering properties of the Magrider in combination with the cliffs. You should be able to "wiggle" yourself through, with your Magrider being completely on its side/nose at times, and you will most likely damage your Magrider doing this (usually something like 15-50% of your total HP), so make sure you are repaired before performing this stunt. Getting over the first hurdle is the hard part, with the second being much easier. Once inside, be careful of Tank Mines etc. and let the rear-popping begin

Now, of course this isn't very effective if there is active fighting taking place at the base itself, but imagine your faction is assaulting either "Hvar Northgate Garrison" or "Hvar Tech Plant" itself. Your enemies are going to expect you to come through the Northgate, but generally won't expect you to sneak in through the Southgate, since they don't think it is possible. Note, using maxed Vehicle Stealth to be able to minimize risk of detection prior to you engaging the enemy is highly recommended

A way to use the mobility (in actual combat) to your advantage is to learn how to climb most hills without turning your front towards the cliff itself, but rather scale the cliff sideways. Often times you won't be able to scale/cross the entire cliff, but that isn't the intention I'm going for with the maneuver in this case. I'll give an example although it is a bit harder to explain via text. I hope you can follow: Imagine the area between "Quartz Ridge" and "Hvar Northgate Garrison". The steep road flanked by tall cliffs of either side is what you should imagine. Fighting starts on the road, with you being at the bottom, and the enemies being at the top. You start shooting at each other, and an enemy tank starts pulling back, out of your line of sight (due to the road going upwards). By scaling the cliff sideways (coming from Quartz, that would typically be the right side) you are able to gain extra height, and be able to put in shots as they think they are safe (and are typically repairing). Of course, this involves firing whilst your tank is angled/sideways, which makes it a bit more difficult to compensate for drop, etc, but with practice it is possible.

I hope my examples weren't too confusing, and you could at least take a part of it with you

I generally find half the fun of the Magrider is taking advantage of the mobility in order to attack the enemy from where they least expect it (typically their rear ).

Haha aye, I saw someone suggest that the Magburn could act as sort of an Afterburner in that you could roast anyone being behind you. Or, with the Magrider, potentially under you

My bad, it seems I had some form of reading comprehension problems, which I apologize for.

Well an experienced driver can actually kill Prowlers using a stock Magrider, since most tanks are operated by people mostly resembling imbeciles (a bit harsh of course, but you should catch my drift). I agree that Magriders aren't really able to facetank the other two tanks, but its strengths instead lie in flanking (especially coming from unexpected angles like I explained earlier), and using that flank to gain an advantage over your enemy, and then pressing the advantage home for a win. The Magrider generally loses if it plays "fair", but using its advantages to play "unfair" it can excel.

I should also add, that the Magrider is BY FAR the MBT that benefits the most from getting a secondary gunner, since it has its overall DPS increased the most by it (the Prowler conversely gains the least from getting a gunner). This is only speaking from a DPS point of view of course. The gunner has many other important functions like repairs, increasing your situational awareness, different maximum elevation (allowing it to fire upon targets you cannot) etc. It sounds like you aren't running with a regular gunner. If at all possible, try to find someone with a similar interest in using the tanks as yourself, and run with the regularly. It does wonders, trust me. Also, correct me if my assumption is wrong of course.

Well believe it or not, the Vulcan actually does deal less damage as the range increases, both due to damage drop-off, but also because the spread means they won't have 100% accuracy, at least not while bouncing about at 100kph.

I also know why we are misunderstanding each other here. I'm assuming you are running your tank as 2/2, not 1/2. Generally the Harasser has the advantage against a 1/2 tank, but of course it has the largest advantage over the Magrider, since the Magrider gains the most DPS from obtaining a secondary gunner (as explained above). The flexibility of being able to repair whilst keeping up some DPS is also a strong point, especially against a platform that is weaker than your own (your secondary weapons are stronger than the Harassers). Or just having twice the repair speed. It is also invaluable when you are being attacked by enemy aircraft, but that is another discussion.
Also, the thing about repairing while it fires at long range once again assumes you have a secondary gunner, meaning you can go repair while your gunner keeps pressure. If they come in closer, you should be able to hit them and destroy them. If they are staying at longer ranges, you should also be able to find cover pretty easily, to quickly repair and force them closer (once again to ranges where you can hit and destroy them).

Well, for starters, being 2/2 with a gunner you know and can communicate with helps a TON. I literally don't know how to explain how much you benefit from it, ESPECIALLY in a Magrider. Note, the random gunners you pick up in random places are in no way comparable to having someone regular you know you can rely on, and knows how you play.

As Savadrin also wrote, using a weapon like the Aphelion (VS version of the Vulcan) is very effective against Harassers. With it, as long as you aren't letting them hit your rear, you will destroy them much faster than their destroy you. If you have a secondary gunner using it while you are either manning the main cannons or repairing, you are a formiddable opponent for any Harasser crew.

Also, try using the Vulcan against a harasser crew using the Halberd, ducking in and out of cover. You will be able to land ~5 shots tops while they are firing at near maximum RoF, doing much more DPS than you are. Then consider an enemy tank also having a main cannon to boot Don't get me wrong, the Vulcan can be very strong in the right situations/circumstances, but it is situational.

This got me thinking (and pardon my ignorance) but is it possible to change your keybindings on the PS4? Since a huge buff to the Magrider (on PC) is changing the "Look Left / Look Right" binds to buttons on either your keyboard or your mouse, as that lets you turn your Magrider MUCH quicker. If you cannot do the same on the PS4, I would argue the Magrider IS arguably weaker, especially against Harassers getting in close. I hadn't considered that issue before now.

Haha no problem, I'm happy to help. If you have any further questions feel free to ask And yes, take from my ramblings what you will, I just like to lay it all out there, and then you can decide what's useful information and what isn't.

Once again, I apologize for that

Oh, and sorry for another massive reply, I just can't help myself I guess ”

You are long gone, but even to this day I still use this page for reference. You were one of the very few who matched my walls of text and meaningful information ratio.... *Lights Candle and tears up* Where have all the good ones gone?

Liewec123 · Oct 27, 2019

ah so there was a time when you typed in a colour that people can read?!
interesting!

fun fact, purple on a black background is a pain in the *** to read.
nigh impossible if its daytime and there is light coming in to the room.

when pikachu did it he typed in yellow, yellow is easy to read.
maybe switch to Cyan? or a lighter shade of purple?

Exileant · Oct 27, 2019

Liewec123 said: ↑

“ah so there was a time when you typed in a colour that people can read?!
interesting!

fun fact, purple on a black background is a pain in the *** to read.
nigh impossible if its daytime and there is light coming in to the room.

when pikachu did it he typed in yellow, yellow is easy to read.
maybe switch to Cyan? or a lighter shade of purple?”

Yes there was. And this was also to showcase most of the older players loved my novels in Smile-O-Vision as well as showcased that Being on the PlayStation Console was one of the first things I said... You know to those who said different. To be honest it was a nightmare for me..... My eyes are very sensitive. 20-15 vision is definitely a blessing, but like so many blessings of this world, it comes at a cost. Bright lights hurt my eyes. White on black is murder for me.... Pik and more so, the guy who types in orange, (The color I WANTED TO CLAIM) were a soothing balm to me. Fiiiiine I will toggle Cyan, because it is the color of the energy of champions. "Coming at you live in LASHI-COLOR, it is the new official color that only slightly hurts my eyes! May my words burn into your soul!!!!!!

Liewec123 · Oct 28, 2019

Exileant said: ↑

“ Yes there was. And this was also to showcase most of the older players loved my novels in Smile-O-Vision as well as showcased that Being on the PlayStation Console was one of the first things I said... You know to those who said different. To be honest it was a nightmare for me..... My eyes are very sensitive. 20-15 vision is definitely a blessing, but like so many blessings of this world, it comes at a cost. Bright lights hurt my eyes. White on black is murder for me.... Pik and more so, the guy who types in orange, (The color I WANTED TO CLAIM) were a soothing balm to me. Fiiiiine I will toggle Cyan, because it is the color of the energy of champions. "Coming at you live in LASHI-COLOR, it is the new official color that only slightly hurts my eyes! May my words burn into your soul!!!!!!”

Yay
Sorry to hear about your eyes,
I always thought you'd picked dark purple to show VS pride (since you have maggy as your avatar)
Which is why I suggested cyan, it's to other VS colour and easily readable
Looking forward to reading your posts on here

Exileant · Oct 28, 2019

Liewec123 said: ↑

“Yay
Sorry to hear about your eyes,
Thank you, however but it is aaaaalright by me. I thought you'd picked dark purple to show VS pride (since you have maggy as your avatar)
Which is why I suggested cyan, it's to other VS colour and easily readable
Looking forward to reading your posts on here ”

Thank you. It is a trade off I would make every day and thrice on Sunday however; as these eyes have saved me from a many of 'U' turns that would have needed to be made due to missing a street sign and spotting exactly where that sniper was hiding thanks to being able to see them at resolution ranges on the ridge. Plus they give me the excuse to wear shades anytime I want. Funniest kill you will ever see is killing a sniper with Dual Comet because: "There is no way that Max can find, let alone hit me from aaaaaall the way over th--AAAAAaaah....... maaaaaaz-ing Graaaayaaaahaahaaaaaaaaace Hooooooooooow Sweeeeeee--".
Also your hunch was correct, it BECAME the reason I chose purple, since orange was taken. I enjoy being unique with a passion. It is the Armored Core in me.... If there is a Meta out there, I refuse to mainstream it whether it be look or weapon. I guess it bled over into forums. Hahaha!

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