NC booted off the leaderboards...

Discussion in 'PlanetSide 2 Gameplay Discussion' started by Sagabyte, Sep 12, 2013.

  1. EViLMinD

    Even if there was irrefutable evidence that proved why the NC is UP, people would still disagree.

    I don't know exactly why our faction falls short. But, we definitely do. So... HOW can things be improved?

    Any VS/TR player worth their salt, and is a true sport, would agree that this game should always be faction balanced as much as possible. Impossible to fully achieve, yet it should always be the goal (alongside performance optimization and fun).

    What can the players/outfits and devs do to make the NC a stronger contender?
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  2. Lamat

  3. Lamat

    Good balance would be:

    NC - highest actual DPS, middle accuracy (effective DPS), lowest ROF and sustained damage (ammo)

    TR - middle actual DPS, lowest accuracy (effective DPS), highest ROF and sustained damage (ammo)

    VS - lowest actual DPS, highest accuracy (effective DPS), middle ROF and sustained damage (ammo)
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  4. Fredfred

    You forgot that enforcer c85, how can you forget the c85, the worst weapon that one can buy with certs/SC!!!
  5. Redshift

    Top 5???...... way to fail at stats.

    Jesus
  6. Fredfred


    Unfortunately, most of the good NC outfit leaders on Connery have either already switched factions or stopped playing altogether. Except maybe KittenRainbow. And seems like most of his outfit stop playing or switched factions.
  7. Kracken

    • Increase initial Reaver & Vanguard handling.
    • Increase base Reaver armor a bit.
    • Add back the rounds they took off the NC Max.
    • Remove the flinch mechanic from infantry.
    • Send e-mails to former players that Strikers now have to stay out in the open to be fired and hit.
  8. EViLMinD

    No, I didn't.
    The modified is a terrible weapon. SOE needs to buff that thing asap.

    As for the AV Enforcer, it's just... ok. I'm a baws Harasser driver (with everything maxed) and none of my gunners ever want to use it over the Halberd. The only time it's better - as I've learned - is when I'm running racer chassis with turbo and I'm fighting in a big open area like Northern Indar or Esamir. It's AI capabilities are inferior to the Halberds OHK and it's less fun to use. Sure, it can kill a Sundie or tank faster. I do like that. And, it's easier for less skilled gunners to hit targets while moving. But, the Halberd is still a better option overall.

    Now that I've had many epic runs with the Marauder and Vulcan. I'm really ticked with SOE. I enjoy the Fury and Halberd... but why should those be the NC's best options? VS get the Saron and PPA. WTF can't we get something equal?
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  9. zib1911


    Leadersboards are long term based. If BCP is still on them that means any one else that was playing since release has prolly quit. Leader boards mean nothing except this game can not keep players long enough to make it to the boards.
  10. Keldarris

    Maybe if the NC's gear was on par with the other two factions, it would be a contest. Our Phoenix was out for only a week before it was nerfed; while the stryker has been around for months (i.e. OP Blaster). At one time the NC's MAX's were the CQB specialists.....not for a long time now. Our weapons have high recoil, high bullet drop and less damage on target then the other two fractions. Yeah, many NC have left to go to the TR and VS. Why spend time and money on a side that loses often? When one of biggest reasons is the gear is inferior to the other two factions.
  11. Compass

  12. Flapatax

    NC is the best faction to reroll after you know what you're doing. Probably the worst to start out with.
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  13. HerpTheDerp

    I don't think you know how DPS, accuracy and RoF work.
  14. Primerus_0

    I'm not sure, but are you NC players really trying to suggest that NC gear is UP? Based on the leaderboards?? If so...

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL....*GAG*

    good grief, I was charitably defensive of NC players when one of my fellow TR players said you were all stupid nutrods, but really, now I think he may have been right.
  15. Lamat

    Ok let me break it down.

    When I say actual DPS I mean in a perfect situation where all bullets hit.

    Accuracy affects the actual dps because misses reduce dps.

    ROF only affects dps depending on the damage per bullet and accuracy of the gun.

    A high ROF gun should never also be accurate but can balance inaccuracy by having medium damage per shot. Its strength is that misses have less effect.

    A high damage per bullet gun is best balanced with having lower ROF. It needs mid level accuracy because misses hurt this gun the most.

    Highly accurate guns are less dependant on high damage per round as you are likely to hit with more. Pairing them with a mid level ROF complements high accuracy with lower damage per round. So you need to play the strength of its accuracy.

    Does this clarify? Each of these have a stong point, a complementary mid level attribute, and a limiting factor.
  16. Lockerius

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    Never been shot by a jackhammer I am guessing.....
  17. Isokon

    If you want to get a leaderboard that reflects current balancing, all time stats will never have value. Not in a game that is subject to continuous balancing changes. That much should be obvious.
  18. xboxerdude

    LOL one weapon with a range less than 30 m ...... Come on
  19. LT_Latency

    Did you look at daily/weekly/monthly??

    Cause i see blue and purple there. Those are more current then all time as well.

    How about by server. There are tons of server that are all blue and purple.
  20. Littleman


    I think this is the core issue, really. The NC scream space 'Murica after all. Throw "freedom" and "rebel" into the description of a faction and suddenly they're the good guys fighting the man and a lot of your more naive and idealistic players may end up rolling with said empire.

    Unfortuantly, naivete and idealism do not make a good fighter. It's no secret the NC weapons have some kick to them, but depending on whom you ask, either their recoil is horrible or it is easily the most controllable of the three empires.

    Besides this, the NC have probably the widest selection of weapon styles between the three empires and rarely sport any weaknesses in any of these weapons except lacking in ammo capacity. Throw in some group think for some weapons and people don't really experiment, they just pick up whatever they're told works, even if they don't mesh well with it. The NC could use an actual AI option that doesn't blow outside of camping the teleport rooms inside a bio-lab. Their vanguard is practically the least threatening tank on the battlefield. At least the lightning is harder to hit, even if my Prowler can run circles around it (with the speed cert line, it STILL turns harder than a lightning.) Of course, all tanks could stand to be a little more resilient.

    Mostly, I really can't say why the NC seem to be the joke empire besides pointing towards the players themselves as the source of the problem.