Wait a minute...wouldn't mirrors destroy the vanu?

Discussion in 'PlanetSide 2 Gameplay Discussion' started by NetSlayer, Jun 3, 2013.

  1. TheArchetype

    lol
  2. haldolium

    Blood plasma? :eek:
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  3. Snib

    In case nobody told you, this is a computer game. It's a laser, same as they were shooting lasers in Star Wars that could be dodged. Deal with it.

    edit: quick creation of a Vanu alt later:

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    Don't take it too hard. Next lesson we'll discuss how it is possible that players have hitpoints and respawn (hint: it's a computer game).
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  4. Van Dax

    Starwars:
    laser induced plasma weapons, this is reinforced by the idea that they used an explosive gas for their weapons (tibanna gas)
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  5. Pouk3D

    Look what happens when you combine ignorance with arrogance.
  6. Snib

    Sure, fans have been trying to craft a theory around it - in PS2 the VS gun descriptions even distinguish between lasers and plasma weapons, however, and then we have some fun stuff like "laser projectiles" (beamer), whatever that may be, so you can argue that by the distinction the lasers are no plasma weapons. But to me it's a moot point, it is whatever it says it is and I enjoy the colourful explosions. And now give me my mirror coated Prowler! ;)
  7. Fenrys


    Gotta love a VS who knows their weapon! :cool:
  8. Van Dax

    However I can't recall a single point in starwars where they called their weapons anything other than blasters, lasers are something people just tended to assume. I assume personally the laser descriptions come from the fact that you need something hot to create plasma and well I think a laser would do that just fine.
  9. Snib

    That may be, I'm not actually big on Star Wars, my reference was more to lasers in general. In every movie I've ever seen they're always visible and moving at a speed visible to the eye. Go Star Trek then, they definitely use actual according to the lore.
  10. Talshere



    And its far more complicated I know and it might not be true because it doesnt work with general relativity yet if we can make warp bubble drives work then general relativity has some founding in truth which means special relativity cant be true and blah and in all of this gravity sucks, I know.

    People tend to spaz out when you mention relativity so I try and avoid it. They just assume they wont understand so they dont understand but everyone knows E=mc^2.

    Trying to inject, ionise, contain and project air would be challenging to say the least due to the magnetic field that would be required.It would be far more efficient if you loaded a small pellet of some description into the weapon and accelerate it to relativistic speeds to generate the desired plasma effect.

    Either way, the fact a standard issue plasma rifle doesnt shred a Vanguard and Prowler makes no sense.
  11. Kite Carling

    I could see it working:-

    NC Baker squad lead: Alright guys, raise mirrored Aegis shields on my mark...3...2...1...mark!

    Vanu squad: Chaaaarrrgg...

    ...Squadmember 4: …aaarrggee...hey wait, I'm lookin' good!
    …squadmember 11: Mmm...mmm, check out these abs!
    …squadmember 5: Hey, do my hips look big in this?
    ...squadmember 9: No Bernhard, they look hot...

    [crackle of NC6 rounds and Grinder pellets]

    “This is NC Baker squad, area secure.”
  12. Jezs

    You've ****** up majorly if your laser beam is moving at 250 m/s
  13. SturmovikDrakon


    At least respawning is explained in the lore >_> Sig relevant
  14. Talshere



    Actually slow light is a phenomenon we can achieve today at speeds much lower than 250 m/s, although terming this as "slowing down light" isnt truthful, rather just "making it take longer to get there".
  15. Ixidron

    Plasma is ionized superheated gas, the batteries do not create matter, they just transfer energy to the gases loaded from the atmosphere with the purpose of super heating them, then the ball of plasma is contained inside a magnetic field ready to be fired, we do have the technology to create plasma (see plasma torches), we simply cannot contain and fire it.

    Plasma weaponry is not necessarily superior, a failure in the containment field and the weapon will melt, they are not cheap to produce, they consume energy (a lot) instead of bullets, plasma is highly volatile, heat can be easily dissipated, it doesn't cause the same damage as bullets it cannot just pierce through armor like bullets, we have modern heat shields capable of easily dispatching plasma balls, we've designed a material that's almost incapable of absorbing heat (it's like a gel, 95% air), you can apply it directly at your skin, then try to burn your hand with a welding torch and nothing will happen, furthermore, current bullet proof vest ceramic plates are highly resistant to plasma, reinforced carbon-carbon composites are also incredibly resistant to heat, and they are flexible and light.

    Plasma is a gas, since vanu don carry giant gas tanks we can assume they superheat and ionize atmospheric gases, which means plasma will easily dissipate, also plasma will have reverse bullet drop (it goes up) as heated gases tend to ascent if they share the same composition of the atmosphere (like hot air balloons).

    Plasma is still matter, it must follow the laws of physics, there is still friction, heat transfer with the environment, instead of penetrating plasma will impact and disperse, vanu plasma projectiles seem to be as big as bullets, meaning they carry little matter (less kinetic energy and less heat transfer), also they'll lose matter while travelling (original vanu faction weakness, extra damage falloff made sense, then it was removed for no reason).

    If vanu assault rifles would have to follow the laws of physics they would be useless past point blank (and by point blank I mean 50 centimetres (1 and 1/2 foot), cause that's pretty much you'll achieve unless you manage to create a containment field around the ball of plasma all they way through the target) and they would tickle shields, why do you think we experiment with railguns and coilguns instead of plasma guns? heat is easy to overcome, kinetic energy is not.

    Also forget about stealth and get ready to illuminate everything, as a 1cm ball of plasma at 10k kelvins will create an equivalent amount of light as a 180kw light bulb, so you've better wear sunglasses if you want to see anything after shooting, oh and forget about NV sights, you'll get blind if you ever dare to use one.
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  16. Torch82

    Then nanites would bring them back, and they'd have to suicide again.
    Personally I'd be a VS medic and search out some poor fool that's hanging himself.
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  17. Cyridius

    VS use Plasma, not lasers. Plasma is super hot molten liquid.

    And the laser would have to be within a certain wavelength to be reflected, I believe.
  18. NeverWas

    you missed one thing vital.

    nanites.

    there, plothole solved. you're welcome.
  19. The Shermanator

    Assuming the vehicles in game don't have protective measures against small arms-scale plasma, which I am betting they do. Don't discredit the other two factions just because you have a hard-on for one - after all, it isn't like the TR and NC have no engineers/scientists working for them to develop arms and armor. Or do you think that the NC and TR developments just materialize out of capitalist/socialist hopes and dreams?
  20. Talshere



    We have ZOE, we already light up the night :p

    Otherwise, I cant argue with you, all valid points. Though it would depend on how hot your plasma is. Plasma cutters heat to ~25,000 C, you can get plasma up to about ~150 million C currently? I dont know what the theoretical limit of plasma temperature is but Im am confident we have no material that can contain such temperatures on contact. The sheer quantity of energy contained in such a plasma would allow it to travel much further and retain effectiveness though admittedly I cannot see how you could hope to carry a gun and survive firing it. If fired horizontally it would probably gouge a trench a 10's of meters wide along its trajectory. I dont care to estimate how long it would take for if to bleed sufficient energy to become none lethal.

    I admittedly my example was working on the assumption the VS had found some way to contain the plasma, I cannot fathom how the VS have managed that though, the best Ive come up with is making it super dense but that comes with its own set of bizarre problems and begs the question of why they arnt using weapons based on that tech which would be far more potent if weaponised.

    I personally would foresee any "plasma gun" being a pellet loaded in a gun then fired at relativistic speeds, thus achieving ionisation. It would be far easier and far more effective.