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Tang60 · Jan 23, 2013

I pay to play (and dont mind doing it) and it still takes forever to unlock things

Outlaw555 · Jan 23, 2013

lol we all want a free ride, but someone has to pay for the servers and development. Do you claim a free ride from your government too? God forbid they make a bit of money along the way. I wonder what games they play in North Korea?

GraphicJ · Jan 23, 2013

Opened the browser. Clicked to open this thread. Thought of the silly whiny, stuff that the OP said. Closed the browser.

DirArtillerySupport · Jan 23, 2013

Got into Beta, gave me 2000 certs per minute, unlocked everything, Beta ended, Sad Panda...

Yautja · Jan 23, 2013

DirArtillerySupport said: ↑

“Got into Beta, gave me 2000 certs per minute, unlocked everything, Beta ended, Sad Panda...”

Yep...

Dictatorfish · Jan 23, 2013

Cyridius said: ↑

“...to actually get any enjoyment and to be truely productive and competitive, you need those unlocks...”

I don't understand this bit, can someone explain this to me? Bear in mind that I'm nigh 100% infantry, so if he's referring to vehicles then fair enough. But as infantry I find the most important things of all and the things most likely to tip the balance in a battle are things you can only buy with certs.

Kurreah · Jan 23, 2013

Dictatorfish said: ↑

“I don't understand this bit, can someone explain this to me? Bear in mind that I'm nigh 100% infantry, so if he's referring to vehicles then fair enough. But as infantry I find the most important things of all and the things most likely to tip the balance in a battle are things you can only buy with certs.”

Cyridius explained further on post #23, page 2 of the thread.
I personally disagree with it and think that some of the arguments are flawed, but it is a good explanation.

Otleaz · Jan 23, 2013

urch said: ↑

“wants something but doesn't want to work for it.

he wants free stuff from a free-to-play, someone give it to him.”

I would, but I only give my Dota2 keys to people I know.

Yautja · Jan 23, 2013

Cyridius said: ↑

“Okay,let's talk about what we all face on the field at the moment.

1) Infantry. This, a stock character will compete with at extremely little disadvantage.

2) Tanks. A stock guy will only stand a chance in close quarters - that being the inside of an Amp Station, and at certain times a Tech Plant. They are really lacking in other places.

3) Air. This rips apart any new guy. The new guy has no answer to ESFs, or Liberators. There's no coincidence that the number of complaints against air have been decreasing as time went by, people have been able to grind up better equipment to at least survive in their presence, new guys have no such luxury.

Now, you may think I'm getting mixed up between being able to survive, and being able to counter. I'm not. A new guy can't survive a tank or aircraft, because all he's equipped with is a dumbfire rocket launcher. The vast majority of HAs at this point are sporting lock-on launchers due to the fact they can now fight back against tanks farming them from range, something a dumbfire can't do, and a new guy will be subjected to over and over again until he pays up for the launchers.

Air. Now, a one-armed Burster MAX is useless. Straight out, doesn't provide enough DPS or Flak to do anything to anyone at anytime. You need dual Bursters to be able to scare away AA. Or, you can - again - pay for a Launcher for the HA. They cost the same - 1000certs or 700 Smedbucks.

Now, you're saying, "It isn't pay2compete clearly because they can save up those certs".
Now, I'm not a below average player, despite my K/D. I'll give you a rundown of my playtime vs Cert gain;
With 7 days and 8 hours of game time(Maybe 8-10 hours of that doing fun non-cert gaining activities or AFK), I've gained 6,220 Certs. Now, to get a Launcher or Burster, you need 1,000. You need to have 1/6 of my gametime, roughly, so... A new guy needs to have 24-28 or so hours of pure cert grinding to grind up a competitive option. During that time, he has not spent a cert on anything else - he is still Stock. His weapons have no attachments, he hasn't gotten Flak Armour, or Med App, or Repair Tool. Now, people are obviously going to be better at this than me, so at the most optimistic estimate, a player will have been playing a game for 20 hours before they can even start to think of being productive in fighting vehicles. And it's probably longer, because hey, they're new.

Now, in an FPS where you literally cannot fight against 2/3 of the game for over 20 hours, that's ridiculous. In certain situations you will be competitive, and that is why this game is not Pay2Win. I can't reaffirm that enough - PlanetSide 2 isn't Pay2Win. You can and do take down vehicles in your stock state. But that's almost always a fluke, nice positioning in an enclosed area, or you finishing the job of a handful of other people. You can get every single thing you want by playing, not paying. And that is a great thing for PlanetSide 2, not many F2P games can manage that feat. But it came at a cost - you always have to grind extortionate amounts for these things, and it's clearly a Pay2Compete situation. You can and will be competitive if you stick around the game for as long as I have, without paying a dime, if you dedicate yourself entirely to grinding up those things.

A new guy can't be useful to his team at all except as another gun, which is no use at all in PlanetSide 2. He can't repair stuff fast enough, he's detrimental to his team if he tries to play Medic, and his Heavy Assault capabilities are confined pretty much to infantry. The Light Assault and Infiltrator are, by their nature, terrible in stock form, and even with upgrades are lack luster and at no point benefit the team except with suicide LAs that C4 Sundys - which you need about 600 certs or so to be useful for.

Now, I don't argue the point that when I play as a stock guy, my negative point of view may be exacerbated by the fact I'm used to having all the stuff that I have now. But even before that, when I was a pure F2P player for about 25BRs on my NC character, I always felt disadvantaged and underwhelming because I wasn't shelling out cash for the good weapons.

Just my bag of coins on the matter.”

Agreed.

Riekopo · Jan 23, 2013

If there is farming in this game it's because of the ridiculous amount of Certs you need to unlock things. Either reduce the cost or increase Cert gain speed.

DukeFlash · Jan 23, 2013

Anyone got any picture candidates to attach to this 'thought about it' mini-meme we got going?

BALLISTIX32 · Jan 23, 2013

Or the OP could maybe go buy some SC to help support the game, then take that SC and buy a "side-grade" gun..

Yautja · Jan 23, 2013

BALLISTIX32 said: ↑

“Or the OP could maybe go buy some SC to help support the game, then take that SC and buy a "side-grade" gun..”

Every person that does not pay supports the game by providing the vast majority of the playerbase for the game. If they drop out, the bottom of the game drops out and the social issues with the game either have to be completely redone or they have to sell the rights to the game to another company.

LittleDi · Jan 23, 2013

Yautja said: ↑

“Started up the launcher. Thought about all the stuff I want unlocked, thought about how long it would take. Closed the launcher.”

Started up the launcher. Thought about the years it would take to unlock 1/10th the game to make a decent enough character where I could fight vs a single liberator as infantry. Closed the launcher.

RobotNinja · Jan 23, 2013

Yautja said: ↑

“Started up the launcher. Thought about all the stuff I want unlocked, thought about how long it would take. Closed the launcher.”

TOTALLY WITH YOU BRAH! LETS PLAY SUM CALL OF DUTY AND GET KILLSTREEKZ!

Nocturnal7x · Jan 23, 2013

Said "don't want to bump this thread..." *saw 3 pages and said* "**** it"

Whaaaaaaaa whaaaaaa whaaaa whaaa! quick, someone call the whaaaaaaaaaambulance!!! whaaa whaaa whaaaaa. Mommy I have to play da game to unlock stuff whaaaa whaaa whaaaa. QQ

Gav7x · Jan 23, 2013

Pixelshader said: ↑

“Can I have a list of the things you want unlocked?”

Because you need stuff to have fun

Hetzau · Jan 23, 2013

OP, you're doing it wrong. Take your starting medic gun and start firing at ESFs. You know, the RIGHT way of having fun without having anything unlocked.

huller · Jan 24, 2013

Stupid CoD kids want everything unlocked ASAP with the least amount of effort possible. I have played CoD, none of those unlocks felt half as sattisfying as clicking "unlock with certs" for my decimator.

Vashyo · Jan 24, 2013

Why do u guys even care, the weapons look the same and don't perform drastically better at all.

Just join the farming or ghost capping and have fun.

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