[Suggestion] For Those Who Complain About Infiltrators and My Suggestions

Note: This is a repost in reply to another person saying we should rebalance Infiltrators. It is taken out of context, so bear with me.

First off, you should never stand still, no matter who you aim at. I don't care if it is an infil, a max, a heavy, or a tank that isn't moving. You. Never. EVER. Stand. Still. That is an easy headshot for ANYONE, not just snipers. Here how I think you are dealing with infiltrators.

OP: *stands still to shoot at extreme threat target*
Infiltrator: *snipes OP*
OP: "Aw man. I died to an Infiltrator. No biggie.
OP: *does the exact same thing*
Infiltrator: *snipes OP again and thinks "Is this dude stupid?"*
OP: "Them stupid infiltrators killed me again. Ugh I hate them!*
OP: *stands still once again*
Infiltrator: "Easy shot." *headshots OP*
OP: "AHGUAJLHFJAIHDKLJAHDAHIPOAHDPAOHDPAO I am gonna get these guys rebalanced or removed!!!*
OP: *heads to the forums*

See the problem? When you stand still, you are an easy target. Whether or not you repeatedly get sniped, the problem is that instead of complaining about being insta-killed via headshot from a bullet shot by a sniper rifle, you should have gone after the Infiltrator. A weakness of Infiltrators is their mindset. When they get a good position, get one or two kills, they are going to stay in that position till they run out of ammo, get bored, or die. When you kill an Infiltrator in his snipers perch, he can't go back there. If he does, he is stupid, because when you see your team getting sniped, you just go back and kill him. That is how you are supposed to deal with an Infiltrator, and that is how everybody deals with me. I lay down few rounds, regardless of kills, they come and find me. I kill someone, they come after me, unless they are stupid. I am too close to them? They come after me.

You beat Infiltrators in a mind game, and in turn, beat them in the real game. You can't just complain about how they have 1 hit kill weapons, because in every game, they have one of those. The downside of sniper rifles is chamber time, fire rate, and ammo. Sure, theoretically if a BASR had 40 shots in all, you could get 40 kills. That is only if all your bullets kill, which they rarely do. You'd have to be a pretty good aim, but to be honest, think about how many kills you would get if you were a Heavy Assault or a MAX or any other class if you had that good of an aim. Infiltrators just get the element of surprise. They are made for long range. However, give a sniper rifle to any other class, and they could do just as well. Sniper Infiltrators are not a problem.

Lets talk about Stalkers now. Stalkers can only use a side arm. I think they shouldn't be completely invisible, but that is just my opinion. Stalkers however, rarely contribute to a battle. A squad full of stalkers camping a point does, though, but you have to admire that craziness. The reason I think stalkers shouldn't be completely invisible is that you can't find them without a darklight, unless you see them moving or you see them uncloak. They can rack up quite a few kills for the sole reason of surprise and can cause havoc to a base with hacking everything and camping vehicle terminals, which helps a bit, but I would like them to have like a weird, watery effect for their cloak that takes a trained eye to see, because it could just look like motion blur or something when you are moving. I am not suggesting something extremely easy to see, because that would be detrimental to their playstyle, but not being able to find them without paying 100 certs is kind of a bummer when they are killing your team.

Last, lets talk about SMG Infiltrators. They do pretty well if you have good aim, but they are relatively easy to take down, because of them having less health. Despite this, I would want SMG's to be removed from this class and scout rifles to be buffed. I'd like those to be the only automatic primaries available to Infiltrators. Why? Because they are underused and Infiltrators are a class that are trained for headshots, they should be heavily rewarded to use them. The Tomoe is a great example of a Scout Rifle, but I want that headshot multiplier even higher. I'd like all Automatic Scout Rifles buffed in headshot multipliers and firerate, except for the Tomoe, which I just want a slightly higher headshot multiplier. The Semi Automatic Scout Rifles should be buffed in fire rate, like the Vandal, with their different trade offs.

TL;DR: the Stalker Infiltrators, SMG Infiltrators, and Automatic Scout Rifle Infiltrators in my opinion need work, but BASR Infiltrators are fine where they are. SASR Infiltrators are better on TR and VS side, and should be taken use of. They require even better aim, but have a faster fire rate and no bolt.

At this point infils do not really fill any role in the game. It's the tool of choice for kill ****** because the class is sickly OP. In PS1 they had jobs to do other than kill ****, like hack missions, smuggle router pads etc etc. Like so many things in PS2, they have no purpose here. If you ask me they could be removed without harming the game in any way.

They do have roles to fill. They hack things, like terminals and base turrets, and that in itself can change the tide of a battle. They also provide recon and can easily get into a base. Now, if you want things the way they are in PS1, to give Infiltrators more to do, add vehicle hacking and whatever this router pad smuggling is.

Sure, they could be removed from the game without hurting anything, but so could the Light Assault. So could the Medic. All these classes do is light damage to vehicles, unless you choose C4, and all the Medic does is heal and revive. You don't need to be healed or revived if you just don't die or get shot, and we have Implants and a resupply terminal to take over for the medic. We also have Med kits and Restoration kits. Would the game be the same or as fun? Nope.

Looking at this. i Think theirs more gripe with SMG cloakers than snipers. And that's mostly due to how crappy dark light flashlights are at marking them. they really do need to bring back REAL thermal optics. Get rid of this whole "Threat Detection Optics" crap that only marks vehicles. if infantry had dedicated devices for spotting cloakers than these kinds of complaints would typically fade away as the cloakers have a realistic and reliable counter.

ya estan contentos?? con esa camara de muerte eliminaron completamente lo que es ser un franco tirador, yo deje el juego por eso y me enfurece que nadie se da cuenta que todas las clases tienen sus pros y sus contras, yo puedo decir aliminen al soldado ligero por que vuela y esplota los veiculos con c4 y y tiene un lanza granadas ,o puedo decir eliminen al ingeniero por que sus minas esplotan los veiculos que pasan. estan bufando todas las clases menos a los infiltrados mierda -.- , y con la camara de muerte para que sirve ahora el infiltrado ?? si voy a piratear algo no puedo matar a nadie por que va a saber donde estoy -.- , el silenciador pierde valor -.- , yo soy alguien que siempre jugo infiltrado por eso les puedo decir que no estan tan OP y con la pinche camara de muerte de mierda (gracias por cierto daybreak ) mataron en parte al infiltrado por unos jugadores que llevan años jugando y todavia no saben que pueden moverse mientras curan o reparan veiculos.

infils just the low skill level required to play class for easy kills,they will never do anything to reduce or nerf them or give em missions,Mainly because theyre pushing hard to sell memberships for this stupid campaign and new kids just love going invisible ,and killing dudes from behind,me personally iv unsibbed this in protest of 1,poor campaign missions ill thought out ,2 having played 4 hours a night for 3 days managing to get on the shattered map twice in that time,3 im sick of fighting agains vr forces thats made up of %30-50 cloakers its no fun so im not paying for it wow is better and costs less

M-muh MANA Turret build giving me ohk immunity...

ROFL
Does anyone else find it ironic that an infil is telling people not to sit still, when the infil itself gets a ******* cloak to allow them to do exactly that with impunity.

Then same infil claims this is the reason they are balanced
Wish i got a cloak so i could spend as much time as i like lining up my shot with one of the highest velocity weapons in the game, and being able to wait for the optimum moment to shoot almost guaranteeing my success. Id love to then be able to belittle players who dont get this massive crutch, and dont have the ability to see a cloaked infil 300m away...

I think the bigger issues are the inconsistency of Darklights at spotting nearby Infiltrators, and the ability for the class to decloak and OHK any non-MAX class in the game with a CQC sniper, which in and of itself exploits the game's clientside behavior so the player only appears for a fraction of a second on the victim's screen, giving them zero time to react.

Long range snipers has always been an annoyance but my main beef is with the CQC Sniper. They should have never been a high threat to you in close range, especially Indoors (where HA exceed and where all other classes can perform exceptionally well), they become a big threat. There's no real counter against it too. An HA class should be a counter in itself but even an HA can get OHK in the close range. If you're unfamiliar with this CQC sniping, I don't know where you have been.

Keep the OHK, but give me a chance to react/counter it up close.

Not particularly, since it's not as if this is some Dark Art or Forbidden Technique we're talking about; it's pushing a button sometimes. The amount of movement required to make them miss from their mountaintop is so trivial most of the time people do it on accident. I've lived through entire firefights with snipers taking potshots at me by not sitting still.

To this day I wait for a well-reasoned argument showing this to be the case instead of salt and insults.

In all honesty, all they need to do to rebalance the infiltrator is add a dedicated scope that lets you spot them from further then two feet away. Darklights problem is that its so close range that by the time you've revealed your target. Hes killed you five times over with an SMG. Other than that. I see nothing wrong with them.

I spot them all the time without a darklight

The problem I have is there is no "light" or "scope" to eliminate the heavy assaults over shield

I've been playing stalker infil with lumine edge quite a bit lately, and there's three things that deter me more than anything.

1. Always MOVE and move forward, do not crouch and camp when you are doing a large infantry push. Do not bunch up! Players bunched up are just asking for me to run up and drop two mines and kill 7 of you before I die. Then I run back to the same group, and drop two more and kill more of you(usually the same ones lol)

2. If you are bogged down during said push, put up as many spitfires as you can

3. Being aware, pay attention to your allies, if you are in a fire fight shooting ADS at enemies without pause you are a prime target.

You know you're doing well as stalker infil when you are bountied 3-5 times in 1 hr of gameplay.

Idk about the other factions, but NC medic had special disruption ammunition that removes 75 shield health and a chunk of energy charge per shot. It took some of the flat damage, but for heavy hunting it is a treat.

I also have a solution for infiltrators, anti-infantry mines. All over the back doorways, around corners and at the tops of stairs. Hide them well enough and watch how quickly the little bugger dies. Other than that, LAs are pretty good at hunting them. Then again, LAs are pretty good at hunting everything.

Oh yea, and for that guy complaining about heavy assaults' shields....EMP grenades. Problem solved.

yeah lmao only people who can't play the game use that class. They can use any excuse they want, having invisible dudes who have access to 1hk weapons that hold that 1hk potential far past the effective range of normal weapons is too much.

And yeah, there's no skill involved in landing 1 headshot, especially with perfect accuracy, and that invisibility. If they were really skilled, they'd be able to land 4 headshots in CQC with a high recoil + bloom. The sniping mechanics have always been a bit iffy in this game, due to it's nature, but at least before they felt somewhat balanced.

Now you've go no skill 1hk infiltrators around any corner, cherry picking kills. And no problem if they miss a headshot, because their rifles are 2hk anyways. And if they're even more lazy, they can simply throw an emp to shed off at least half your health, and then 1hk you with a body shot.


Again this is like with a2g esfs. They have a stroke at the slightest idea of balancing the class. And if you think something's wrong with their beloved cheesestyle, it's because you don't know how to to play, despite being an 8+ year vet.

i just bought the nsx ameritisu and went on a killing spree with stalker infll.

am i a part of the problem?

I use the infiltrator class in order to rack kills and catch up with a low k/d for the session, that's how easy (and devoid of sportsmanship) I feel this class is in PS2, and considering the server/latency/cheating issues, my opinion is that there should be no place for lag wizards wielding instagib weapons, esp. those of the cloaked kind

CQC sniping is just high risk high reward...
If you hit a HS you can outdamage almost any class in a 1v1...
If you don't, you're dead... if you're opponent is not a total nutcase that is...
I confess: I do CQC sniping alot... but when I feel my KD dropping after some time, cause playing CQC sniping is exhausting, I switch to engineer to save my KD. Not saying that Engi is easy to play... but much more consistent.
Unless you have put hundreds of hours into CQC-sniping, it's just too inconsistent...
When **** hits the fan "All guys, switch to infil!" is the last thing you'll here from any Platoon-Lead.