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Metallic123 · Feb 9, 2014

Aegie said: ↑

“Yes, I've done this and my stats with my TR character with far fewer hours invested in learning the weapon and far fewer certs invested in the weapons only confirmed this expectation. Moreover, this ignores the problem that the person is a constant in this equation hence why it is important to look at overall averages. Your experience may very well differ and thus the only way to adjust for this is to examine how the population is performing. Ergo, you simply cannot ignore the metrics that are derived from the population of players. Months ago, I was utterly disheartened by my ability with Trac5+foregrip+3.5x scope, however, ultimately, this means nothing because there is no way to know whether this said something about me or something about the system without considering those metrics derived from the population of players.

The argument you present can be easily refuted by looking at pre- post- PU2 metrics. While the only ones I have seen are based on KPU and this is flawed, KPU is flawed in predictable and adjustable downsides but these metrics still show, for instance, that TR leads in carbines.

Highest performing NC carbine = GD-7F (a TR trait weapon by the way, and no one should disagree with that) still under performs compared to the Lynx- and this is post PU2. Post PU2, the AMC still out performs the AXC-11 in KPU- this is a fact. There is no disagreeing with this without showing a figure that contradicts- perhaps the figures are different now, for some reason, but Oracle clearly shows that post PU2 AMC still has a better KPU than post PU2 AXC-11. I grant that KPU is not perfect but no single metric is perfect.

I'm not opposed to the idea that TR weapons are under performing, rather, I am opposed to the idea that TR weapons are under performing if no real evidence can be presented.

This is what I have said time and time again and people get enraged because they keep hearing the same thing but the same thing is still true. The case for NC trait weapons (i.e. slow ROF high damage per shot) was made over a wide span of time, repeatedly, with convergent evidence from various performance metrics- none of which were based on one player's personal experience or stats.

Thing is, early on, I felt something was off based on my previous experience with FPS games. As a scientist, I was not satisfied with this as some kind of conclusion and asked the question is this a regular experience that is demonstrable with data collected from all players. In this case, that happened to be the case and, while it took SOE way too long to address the issue, it was no surprise that they made the changes they made. Why? Well, because you could look at the data, from various metrics, and see that weapons suited for hipfire CQC, especially those with the .75 ADS movement multiplier, were outperforming all other weapons.

I do not know what more to say and honestly I am just as tired continuing to explain this as people are tired of hearing it.

Fact of the matter is, if you want to show imbalance, then you need to show imbalance. This can be done, in the end it is only a matter of science (odd, I know, coming from someone who no longer mains a VS). By that I mean that, if there is an imbalance it will reveal itself in convergent evidence across performance metrics. Show me these and I guarantee that I will support your position. Why? Because I do not want an imbalanced game and I have never in my life been the kind of person to disregard good argument and sound facts in the face of what feels good.

I agree vehemently that certain things were screwed in PU2. Take the Vulcan, for instance. I even posted prior to PU2 that the Vulcan was a special case and that the developers were likely to make a mistake. Why? Because Vulcan was over performing on the harasser and under performing on the Prowler- ergo, the performance of that weapon was directly related to the platform and, IMO, for obvious reasons (harasser was able to get into and out of the situations that exploited the Vulcan's power whereas the Prowler, by definition, could not).

I'm not anti-TR by any means and I support very much the idea that 1) certain things like the Vulcan need due diligence and 2) VS and NC have at least 1 carbine that mimics (to a certain extent) the TR (keep in mind that they, relatively, under perform the counterpart) and hence it is only fair that either a) they remove/change these so they do not mimic TR or b) allow TR a similar carbine that mimics VS/NC (though, to be fair, it should perform a little worse, just like VS/NC counterparts). Only thing is, the AMC (the long distance TR carbine) always did and still does out perform the AXC-11, at least in KPU (the only metric I have yet to see compare pre- and post- PU2 on any objective performance measure).

TLDR: Make a real case and I will support you 100%, continue with this kind of shallowness and it is just depressing.”

I made a fresh NC guy and my KDR is 3 right now. Love that saw, my money shot gun. I wish I didn't uraxium it so fast though.

https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5428163811549661617

Jan 18

MGP · Feb 9, 2014

Aegie said: ↑

“Yes, I've done this and my stats with my TR character with far fewer hours invested in learning the weapon and far fewer certs invested in the weapons only confirmed this expectation.”

And my NC stats are much higher then my TR stats. All my friends who got both NC and TR chars got way better stats with NC.

Aegie said: ↑

“I'm not opposed to the idea that TR weapons are under performing, rather, I am opposed to the idea that TR weapons are under performing if no real evidence can be presented.”

My stats are the evidence.

QuarkDoe · Feb 10, 2014

bwiin said: ↑

“why do TR win so few alerts compared to NC and VS

http://ps2alerts.com/”

Don't know, but on Miller TR takes most alerts. So it not question on faction abilities and weapons balance.

NC_agent00kevin · Feb 10, 2014

MGP said: ↑

“And my NC stats are much higher then my TR stats. All my friends who got both NC and TR chars got way better stats with NC.

My stats are the evidence.”

Then my stats are evidence that VS is nearly twice as Op as NC!

Aegie · Feb 10, 2014

MGP said: ↑

“And my NC stats are much higher then my TR stats. All my friends who got both NC and TR chars got way better stats with NC.

My stats are the evidence.”

Metallic123 said: ↑

“I made a fresh NC guy and my KDR is 3 right now. Love that saw, my money shot gun. I wish I didn't uraxium it so fast though.

https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5428163811549661617

Jan 18”

Keep going guys, just a few thousand more other players and we may have something meaningful.

Metallic123 · Feb 10, 2014

Aegie said: ↑

“Keep going guys, just a few thousand more other players and we may have something meaningful.”

Well I bleed blue now so it doesn't bother me

Aegie · Feb 10, 2014

Metallic123 said: ↑

“Well I bleed blue now so it doesn't bother me ”

That's cool, I have been on a bit of a hiatus for various reasons but I hope to get some time during WDS to flesh out my TR alt- though, I do kind of begrudge that the mergers resulted in that character being on the same server as my NC.

DrPapaPenguin · Feb 10, 2014

The alert should be hidden then, and you would only know that it's on when awards are handed out.

maudibe · Feb 10, 2014

EliteEskimo said: ↑

“Lol look at the alert wins for Mattherson TR. I can't say I'm surprised since we've been consistently underpopulated, at times double teamed, and sometimes both. I'll be interested to see how WDS is somehow balanced so we don't get absolutely stomped on, because while we have good outfits there is only so much you can do when the populations are like this.

”

I could swear i remeber that map being like 2 weeks ago when as playing TR we had about 1/3 of the pop on indar but only 5 % of the territory. How is that possible as I know TR is not horrible as a fighting force and even taking on the Vanu and NC without them fighting each other we should have done better than that.

Flickory · Feb 23, 2014

Bumity bump for the badass

TheRunDown · Feb 23, 2014

I would imagine an actual PlanetSide player (non of this MLG Sh*t) would not be a fan of Alerts.

Anyone from PlanetSide 1 would prefer the map being their Empire Colour then have a continue lock after capturing all the bases.
There are many things in PlanetSide 2 that stop PlanetSide 2 from being PlanetSide, it's all designed to keep the battles going forever.

The Lattice system was only implement after players started to work out that the old Hex system was keep battles Random because of its Free 2 Play nature, but the actual dedicated fan base was from PlanetSide.

In my eyes, PlanetSide 2 is not PlanetSide, it's just a game that has the names and empires in it.

Until we get, Home Worlds, Sanctaries, Lockable none home whole continents, and this MLG base designs removed and most of all a bunch of Devs that actually make well balanced weapons and ignores crying. It will never be PlanetSide.

If I had the monies and the right contacts.. I'd remake PlanetSide 1 on the ForgeLight engine. PlanetSide 1 was and is a better game, it's just too old..

Meccar · Feb 23, 2014

QuarkDoe said: ↑

“Don't know, but on Miller TR takes most alerts. So it not question on faction abilities and weapons balance.”

That's because Miller is pretty much the only server where TR consistently have a decent pop.

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