I'm not calling for a Pally nerf in the least, I'm not doing anything but disputing your fact that the two are comparable. While I agree thats how our class apparently is, in my opinion unless we had higher DPS it makes no sence. We aren't as well equiped to deal as Pallys, I don't think Pallys should be nerfed at all however, but rather zerkers AOE DPS brought UP. Why? Because I think thats a nice little niche we can fit into that maybe other tanks don't already have. Monks/Bruisers have superior single target DPS and superior utility(by far)...but its also hard for me to compare how the defense works since i still dont like the 'avoidance' over mitigation (but apparently people seem to prefer the other way.) I was 'shooting from the hip' after reading what you wrote because despite strykers over zealous approach about how Zerkers should be the number 1 tank, You tried to dispute the fact that Paladins are (right now at least) the superior choice for group play, tanking and soloing. While I LOVE my zerker and I think I play him [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] well, I would love to be able to heal myself. The horsie is ok but I also wouldn't mind a spell like Amends, i wouldnt even have to worry about agro because i'd slap it on the biggest DPS in my group and just chill. As it is, I am a mana draining ***** just spamming taunts while rooted in offending defense, and trying to throw some DPS out there because if i don't I WILL Lose agro. I don't personally want to see much change, either just a little buff in our AOE DPS, or good god a 'utility' spell/skill that maybe either other tanks dont have or something that i dont know serves a purpose. If you want to just give me back my HP and Haste buffs thats fine, i wouldnt mind. If not, maybe give me some kind of Evac, Speed Buff or god knows i wouldnt mind either a POWER Regen or a POWER Buff. My Mana/Power drops at a astronomical rate when tanking if i'm pulling at any sort of decent speed, even with T6 drink. Cant wait to see how 'Vision of Madness' works in combat...THAT Seems like a good CA. Nothing personal dude but claiming that Zerkers are 'as good' as Paladins isn't quite true, at least not in the current incarnations of things. Does that mean Zerkers are 'broke'? Not at all. I just think CU13 dropped us alot and the last couple dropped us a bit more, which is frustrating to me. We went from being way over powered to being middle of the road at best (I still think Mit is easier for healers than Avoidance because you can 'time' things better), and the thought of us being 'hurt' more if nothing else 'scares us.' I guarentee if you give Zerkers something they could 'bring to the table' that maybe other tanks didnt have, we would have something more to be proud of, something more to say "look we can do this, they can't."