Mathrin is failing to get across part of his point, I think mainly because he doesn't directly state it. BGs are not equal to PVE raiding. Killing for shoulders and bp in SS is not equal to even 40,000 runs in a BG. That's like saying climbing a mountain is equal to the fact that you've taken over 400 million steps in your life. Definitely not the case. The case is people will go into BGs get facerolled or flatout afk bot until they get raid gear. That's unacceptable.