Wow, Wizards really hate us! Didn't realize how bad it was till I read one of the threads in the Combat forum. I understand their concern that they should be more in line with us, but their spells dont' cost them gold like it costs us. 7-15 GP for a T6 poison adds up, especially if you liek to be prepared. Not to mention arrow costs. Bring em in line but make em pay 10 gold a day when they log in Just kidding. SOE should give them a little boost, but not near as much as they want.
i know some awesome wizzys and warlocks that are right up top in dps but there seems to be loads that arnt and always want to be the best at everything from soloing mobs to raiding, i know they need to be adjusted but them constantly pointing the finger at other classes saying nerf them pisses me off
Just keep in mind that this sentiment comes from a very small percentage of PLAYERS, not any one class. Wizards don't hate us, trust me - we debuff heat resist, how could they hate us?? The best we can do as a class community is turn the other cheek to the hate and wish them luck in getting the legitimate issues addressed. And there ARE legitimate issues, but they (and we) lose sight of them in the finger-pointing and nerf demands.
Jay42 is right on target. If you would like to see hate for other classes take a look in the Guardian Forums. My main is a Guardian and I still drift back to the ranger forum to see if I can help with my limited ranger knowledge-why you ask well everyone here is just plain nice and have alot of class. Always positive no matter what comes down the road.
Jay is right. It's a small part of the people that play wizards that are upset. They think just being a wizard means they should automatically do the best dps. The ones that aren't complaining about us are the ones that know how to play their class and can match/beat us for DPS when they want to. Just ignore them till they go away. The dev's have rangers right where they want us, which is why we haven't had any significant changes since LU13. In 5 updates we've had a few minor tweaks but nothing catastrophic. We are now working as intended and have a great bunch of folks behind those rangers you see in game which is why we churn out the numbers we do.
I <3 guardians. Assuage master 1 = 31% less hate for me on raids. Guardians are the best :smileywink: As for all the haters. It just shows the maturity level certain classes attrack. Just glad I can look back when the classes crying the most now were off solo'ing instances and named. And we and the other scout classes kept to post trying to improve our classes vs making [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] posts trying to nerf them.
Any gamer who doesn't know how their class works will hate anyone in the same category who does know what they're doing. I play both a wizard and ranger (love dps), and both are about equal in their power...just different methods to get to the same point. I remember all the hate Infiltrators had in DAoC, but Shadowblades and Rangers were just as nasty...these types of complaints will never end...the only "class" in the game that I can see who have any right to complain are carpenters :smileyvery-happy:
Well for a start, maybe you need to rethink how you interact with other classes on their boards and not automatically assume that the hidden agenda behind any ask for a fix of other classes is to have an indirect or direct ranger nerf. Since I am leaving for christmas break I will not be able to respond to any flames that might follow this message.
You're not quite grasping it yet. We do not care about this argument anymore. We fail to see a purpose to it, and none of us here care if the wizards hate us. We will take what the devs give us, and we'll adapt and carry on. If I find something that I would like changed I base if off of how its affecting me, not because it needs to be better than someone else. Quivers, we got them, there was much rejoicing. Poisons are fixed, as is Stream, and there was much rejoicing. We are happy here, and the majority of us, just do not care if there is hate in the other forums. If you want help with rangers, ask us, but if you want to complain about class balance, take it somewhere else. I personally do not care if wizards could do twice as much damage as me. Its just not important to argue with any of them about it. This isn't the place for wizard/ranger hate fests, and we're through with it.
I find it humerous how a class plays in a game somehow changes the personality of the entire group. I have a bit of knowledge for you 'classy' and 'mature' rangers The Warlock boards were exactly like yours is now, before LU13. Everyone was polite, helpful, and turned a shoulder to hate threads. Why? because everyone was happy with their class and their role. But, we were overpowered, and it had to be changed. I wish it wasn't as 'aoe specialists' but whatever, another thread. There is an issue with balance whether you want to admit it or not. How does it affect me as a warlock? I am tier 2 and t3 dps, rarely t1 on group encounters. Even on those I get beat out by rangers every time. This is not right. It's always wizard vs whoever, I don't want you other t1 classes to forget that us warlocks are supposed to be the king of aoe damage, giving up single target dps, and we're not fully where we should be. poison procs just do too much damage, period. and with long delay bows, they proc way more often than they do for other rogue types.
Here here, well said that man. When I group with Wizards they usually seems like decent chaps and often out DPS me. Fact is a lot of the people complaining don't have the best gear or can't play their char. If they are being trashed by a Ranger chances are that Ranger has [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good gear and is - as the little plastic people who play CS say - 1337.
My point is this, if we are all supposed to be T1 damage, then why complain if we are all doing similer damage? I think the problem is people have certain expectations and want to be hands down the best. Being similer is not good enough for them. Now I do think that all T1 need to be brought up to Similer damage, but realize that someone is always going to be better no matter what. Especially with the the differences in spells and Ca's. One thing to keep in mind. For a Ranger to be T1 DPS we cannot be in melee. My damage drops off significantly when I am in Melee combat. Also, with the latest live update our second hand weapon does not get the poison proc which further lowers melee DPS. So now we have been efectivly limited in the way we play our toon. We must have a tank that can hold aggro for us otherwise we cannot bring our bow into play. There is no need to complain about this though. I still enjoy playing my Ranger.
If anything, the ranger boards have been less positive post-CU than they were before (when we were severely underpowered), although I must say that very recently they are starting to resemble the ranger forums of old more and more. I won't address your other statements, as they will only lead to disagreements.
Not a matter of us being overpowered now and not wanting to admit it. Before LU13, you may have been over powered, I don't know, never played a warlock. However, before LU13, we were very underpowered, almost to the point of barely being able to survive, anything. So anything better than what we used to be, and we are happy. I'm not trying to be better than anyone, or be a better man than anyone, I'm just really tired of having to defend myself, when it really doesn't matter. If warlocks, and wizards feel they need more damage to keep up with us rangers, then by all means, give them some more. If you think us rangers need to be toned back to allow wizards/warlocks to keep up with us, then again, scale us back. ANYTHING we have now is better than we had pre-LU13. And I as a ranger am thankful for what I have. edited for grammar Message Edited by The_Wind on 12-21-2005 09:39 AM
lol...and I thought I'd bring out some anger in you. You proved me wrong I'm sure down the road everything will flip several times over with every class being a fotm.
I think the point you're really missing in all of this is that, in general, those of us who play rangers and post on these boards, don't care what others say about us anymore. Most of us are tired of defending ourselves to people who only listen to part of what is said, so that they can turn it around and use it against us. Come here looking to make people mad by posting things like that and get a big flame war going, and you'll be disappointed, a lot.
Anyone Who plays a ranger is used to being commented on, told old stupid EQ Live jokes like "Bind here often" etc. You will find most of us that play a Ranger play it for the fun. We realy could care less what our damage output is. As long as we are making a dent we are happy. In order to play a ranger you have to be laid back, and have a good sense of humor.... A good example of this is my Signature. As long as I am still called a ranger i will rule my pants!
Kazimer if you go back and look through this forum from the start of the game you'll notice it hasn't changed much at all. We were pretty much the same pre DoF as we are now. And yes pre DoF our class was extremely sub par. Sure there were posts asking for fixes and help to make Ranger's at least a semi desired class. The difference is we never made thread after thread using other classes as examples of how unbalanced we were. Maybe I was wrong in the past pointing out things that could be bettered for my class and should have spent all my time ripping on other classes that could do more. Sadly I did let all the negative attacking of my class posts effect me and sucked me into them. Maybe if all the attacks were spread out to all the high raid dps classes I wouldn't have. For some reason my class has been decided to be singled out. Which I find funny as it gets out dps'd by several other classes on raids consistently. But I'm officially done with that.
On a practical, non raiding level, once in game and actually playing, I have never, through dozens of both pick up groups and guild groups, had an issue with group effectiveness being seriously affected by which DPS classes we had. In other words, if there was a warlock, wizard, ranger, or some other combination of scouts and mages I never have had one of the mages comment "Gee, we have a Ranger, this isn't fair to me and I can't have any fun in this group because the Ranger here is going to out-DPS me." The controversy seems to be in the forums. Haven't seen it in the game. This is subjective of course, it's just my experience. And maybe it's very different for the top tier raiding players. But for the great masses, I just don't see how it affects your ability to have fun and group with other players if you're a mage. Like some better spoken Rangers who have posted earlier, this issue is long gone...it's just not important to focus on from an end-user perspective.
