Thanks Twyla , this what I was hoping to hear. I watch the lfg channel, just not many low level groups. So I been trying to ambush them at cave entrance. It worked , I finally got a group and got to 21. The only thing holding me back now is I can't seem to get my sage volumes to drop. Is there some kind of trick to this? I spent a few hours killing nothing but level 20 npc and they never seem to drop any of them. The chests they spawn just keep giving the same crumby weapon over and over. No way I could afford to buy them on broker, people want like 2-3 plat per page. Quests don't give much gold I think I have about 16 gold.