In my old guild I could be sitting on 90% combined worth of aggro transfers and hate buffs and steal aggro before I hit apoc. Even with a full 10 second count before going in. I have it a little better now, I can spike 5k early and not tank the mobs most of the time. Rift not causing aggro was a big boost to my dps as I would drop it on the pull if it was an encounter. Now that its nerfed Ive had to change up my spell order. The sad fact is even with a pally, trouby, guard with dirge and swash hate buffs and transfers. I can still pull aggro at will. How many classes can say that? A swashy that can push 3k+ helps a lot with this setup. I got tired of the aggro, and subsequent repair costs, and more or less retired poor phin phin from raiding and switched to a utility class. Illus do some decent dps. I generally beat the other casters on zw but none are putting out phin phin dps(probably due to aggro constraints).