TIMECARDS for PLAT

Discussion in 'General Gameplay Discussion' started by ARCHIVED-Kitila, Jan 29, 2012.

  1. ARCHIVED-Brigh Guest

    Kitila wrote:
    Those servers are non-existant now.
    Freeport was the FTP server before FTP server-wide.
  2. ARCHIVED-yohann koldheart Guest

    Kitila wrote:
    1 . a red name already did comment in another thread.

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    Subject: Re:Re:Re:Re:Exchanging Plat for Gifting, Bannable or Not?
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    We really don't want to put a hard value on platinum to SC conversion rates, so we would probably only step in on this if we thought it was going to cause us legal headaches in the future. So...if kept on the low-down, it'll never cause problems. But if someone put up a website selling items officially with posted conversion rates, I have a feeling that legal might want to step in and stop it to avoid issues.
    Make sense? Keep it person-to-person and I don't think this will ever be an issue.



    there was also another post by smokejumper that said it was not against the eula but its also not supported , so do it at your own risk. im still looking for that post.

    2 . there is no more live gamer servers they did away with them shortly after the f2p conversion
  3. ARCHIVED-Dytherian Guest

    Well anyone coming new to the 'game' needs a way to buy plat legally because you can't afford a thing on these servers. Prices for basics are insanely high priced. The coin given in quests doesnt' even remoetly begin to cover costs of living in the game. You're only hope is to join a guild and hope to get outfitted. That being said, if they want a system that works for $$ for plat they simply need to look to eve online. Their plex system has been working for years.
  4. ARCHIVED-ranga Guest

    Dytherian wrote:
    Nope, your best hope is to do what everyone else did before platflation and earn the loot, tradeskill your way to making the stuff you need and by the time you make enough plat, you hardly need it anyway.
    That is the way the game was designed, everything else is player driven, you only have to join in if you want to OR don't want to wait
    I still remember the first time I could afford a boat ticket to Nek Forest from Qeynos, took me a week to make the silver but I had a lot of fun doing it and really looked forward to the time I could make the trip. Think how much you lose out by paying to win!!
  5. ARCHIVED-Yimway Guest

    Kitila wrote:
    Things change, and the current producers have clearly stated person to person trades like this are not a violation, however also not supported by GM staff when there are issues. Buyer be ware.
    I applaud this stance, cause if I couldn't pay for my accounts with plat, I doubt I'd continue to play this game, its simply not as much fun anymore to throw money at for me.
    I wouldn't by SC cards from someone with no reputation on server, but buying from level 90's in guilds or with names I've known for years I'm comfortable in doing.
  6. ARCHIVED-Miss_Jackie Guest

    Amekoi wrote:
    Um... Amazon sells station cash cards => http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Gam...4731&sr=8-1
    Other than not having a credit/debit card, I don't see why people just can't buy them from Amazon if it's not availible where they are.
  7. ARCHIVED-Raknid Guest

    Miss_Jackie wrote:
    Their reasons matter not.
  8. ARCHIVED-nipxur Guest

    Dytherian wrote:
    Nobody NEEDS a way to buy plat. So what if adepts are overpriced? It means that the new player can earn a lot of gold from selling the adepts they don't need. Same for the gear they loot that they can't use. It isn't hard to earn coin in this game, even at the very low levels.
  9. ARCHIVED-Amekoi Guest

    Miss_Jackie wrote:
    Not everyone has a credit or debit card who plays the game. Or perhaps they don't trust buying online, or whatever their reasoning. Or maybe they are simply poor.
    I don't tend to ask about their situation. I have money to spend on a game card, they have plat, and we're friends. It all works out for everyone involved, and the base reason isn't terribly important.
  10. ARCHIVED-MystsofLedge12 Guest

    Giving fake currency (in game plat) for tangible items (stuff bought by real money) is not really ethical and is borderline to what the asian plat farmers used to do.

    They are making a grey area for this, and not enforcing their own rules against selling plat for real money. if they are bending on this then one could make an argument for about anything in the game that is borderline unethical.

    its not like the management at soe really knows what Ethics is.
  11. ARCHIVED-Deago Guest

    I really dont see the problem just about every game has some indirect way of using rl funds for ingame perks. Thats life so try not to stink so much at it and just have fun :)
  12. ARCHIVED-crewguy72 Guest

    You know what I find funny about all this.....some people say this is " no big deal" but complained about the start of in game cash markets. This IS a big deal, it sets a new standard in the gaming community.
    These companies are out to make as much money as they can. YOU are telling them this type of transaction in the MMO community is acceptable by pouring your real money into these transactions. Where you spend your money speaks loudly to these companies. Look at WOW, multi million dollar revenue from this game has set the new MMO standard of easy mode MMO gaming. The old EQ days of hard mode are gone.....forever. I have already heard rumors of EQ next being a total cash shop game. This doesn't surprise me.
    My point is by sitting back and accepting this type of transaction , YOU the gamer are telling the gaming companies this is acceptable and they will continue to make these MMO's where you can basically log in and be max level and in end game gear just by spending some cash.
    Whats the point in playing a game if you can just buy everything?
  13. ARCHIVED-bks6721 Guest

    seems like most people ARE in support of $$$ being a valid method of advancing your gameplay.
    When can we get Fabled gear and adornments on the marketplace?
    The excuse of 'trading my plat for game time' is bogus. Why destroy an ingame economy for the players who would quit if they couldn't play for free?
    I ALWAYS overprice items on the broker because I know fools are buying their plat and have no problem paying my high prices. Maybe collosal reactants wouldn't be so expensive if everyone didn't have the option of simply buying 1000p anytime they want to.
  14. ARCHIVED-Deago Guest

    There is nothing "new" about it in the online game realm. Only thing new is SOE looking the otherway.

    Back in old kunark eq1 days when fungi tunic was king my rl friend had one for sale and he was going to pay me to wash his car. I told him give me the tunic and I will and he did sooo I mean its not like things of this nature are new.

    His car was simply filthy. He had children of the abyss. :D
  15. ARCHIVED-Kevlin_Tallfellow Guest

    SOE stopped caring so much about people selling in-game items for real-world cash when they came up with Station Exchange shortly after EQ2's launch. Things that used to be against the EULA and were large enough violations to have your account banned suddenly became a huge cash cow for SOE.
    It's supposed to be illegal to sell intellectual property to which you do not own the rights, which is exactly what people were doing before; they did not own the in-game items because they were in a lease agreement with SOE, the rightful owners, therefore they could not legally sell these virtual items for real-world cash because these items belonged to SOE. Station Exchange changed all of that. Instead of buying your in-game items from some farmer for real-world cash and running the risk of the farmer just taking your money and screwing you out of your item, suddenly you could buy your in-game items from some farmer for real-world cash and be guaranteed delivery of the item because SOE was brokering the deal and taking a share of the profits for themselves.
    Essentially, SOE is making money from the farmers that pay to play the game, SOE is making money from the buyers that pay to play the game, and now SOE is making money by allowing farmers to transfer their item leases to the buyers for a fee.
    Imagine if one day it was illegal to sell and buy drugs on the street and if you got caught you would be exciled from the country, then the next day it was perfectly legal to sell and buy the exact same drugs on the exact same street as long as you give 5% of your profit to the governement.
    Such a fundamental shift in morality for the sole sake of monetary greed is simply astounding, and this is partially responsible for ushering in cash shops to replace the classic game subscriptions in many of the MMOs out there today.
  16. ARCHIVED-Soldancer Guest

    crewguy72 wrote:
    You are not enforced to do this. If someone does it by this way it's him problem that this is not satisfiable.
    I guess your real point is that this would ruin the fair competition, and there lies the real problem: The claim if a MMOG should be primary a competitive sport (position of old-school players) or primary a game just for fun (position of casuals).
  17. ARCHIVED-bks6721 Guest

    I'd like to ability to post things for sale on the broker for SC. Why charge 40p for a mana when its worth 200sc?
  18. ARCHIVED-Gaealiegen Guest

    The entire issue is absurd on SOE's end, certainly. It's also absurd on the player's end as well.
    SOE is a business, which simply means money is far more important to them than your satisfaction. If satisfaction =/= money, then SOE is unconcerned. If satisfaction did equal money, SOE would change their model.
    Currently, I'm willing to take advantage of a system that allows my advantage. I've paid for several thousand dollars of SC through players without spending a dime. The bottom line. I'll never pay SOE again to play the game. I will now play this game for free (at gold membership level) until that option is removed.
    I guess now is where I laugh maniacally.
  19. ARCHIVED-Gravy Guest

    Kevlin_Tallfellow wrote:
    Players never sold anything. Players never owned anything.
    SoE always owned the items.
    SoE always gave access to the items (loan) in exchange for money.
    Players never sold those items. They sold access to the items.
    It doesn't matter if a player sold access via the broker for Plat, or access via ebay for cash, SoE always maintained ownership.
    Its no different than subleasing an apartment.
    If it was any different SoE would have had a legal standing to stop third-party sellers. SoE didn't. So since they couldn't legally stop it, they incorporated it into their business model.
  20. ARCHIVED-freeSpirit Guest

    wguy72 wrote:
    I agree with this. Apart from moral objections it has some extra implications for me as a player: the spamming of some players selling items annoys me tremendously, especially as some cannot stick to the auction channel, plat farmers are still there and prices gets more inflated (you can just buy plat now from farmers).
    These developments give me more and more (compared to the early days) the feeling being in a casino or mall than in an adventure game.