I would definitely like to hear a dev response on the issue specifically with hate mod...the golden rule has always been anything over +50 is too much, since you would get the rest from coercer/dirge if needed. I have been hearing that people are going well above this and still having agro issues. I know this may seem obvious but are you letting your auto-attacks hit or just spamming CA's? Also what content are you doing, the suggestion that strikethrough is worthless is bad advice, especially in raid content. I've never had an issue holding agro unless I've forgot to turn back off sing focus for whatever reason I had it on originally for. Some tanks are swearing that you should go over 100+ hate mod, but to me that is wasting points that can go anywhere else. I don't want to outright say it's stupid to do that, but I would appreciate a dev response, much like the one they gave for MA/DPS/Reuse/Casting S/Haste...can't remember what thread they put it in, but it was fairly recent. My only guess would be the clickies that up your threat position on classes that are not tanks is why you're losing agro. I've noticed initially while people(PUG's) are gearing up they're grabbing any and everything that has better green stats than what they're wearing, instead of paying attention to the blues.