Last time I played a ranger or assassin was pvp server era and prior to that. Just have some basic questions about them. I play on a Live server, so how do both classes hold up at end game? Are they desirable in groups or do they get passed over if other options are available? And which of the two is more desirable over the other. This isn't a "play whatever class you like best" question, as I liked both in the past. This is a "What's going to get me further in the game" question. DPS wise are they still about equal? Something about assassins that made me prefer rangers a bit more was how many positional/invis positional CA's they had. That's awesome in pvp, but when you're soloing to level up half your abilities become fairly useless. I know there's an AA that briefly removes the restrictions on invis CA's. With fighter classes there's an AA line that removes penalties for offense/defense stances. Have assassins (or rangers) had a similar positional restriction removal AA put in? DPS If I recall correctly the ranger was more survivable due to ranged abilities and being able to kite, but lacked a lot in DPS. Assassin had high burst damage but if you didn't get the job done quick you could be in trouble. Overall though which one is on top in that regard? Any other random significant changes between then and now I should be aware of?