*sorry previous reply got fried :smileysad: * I'll go straight to my new question for everyone and that is what about the dragon power of metamorphosis. This power has to be greater than a simple illusion that the Coercers/illusionist can create around/on a person/themselves.
Dragons have a much more powerful illusion spell then the second generation coercers/illusionists i would guess, this is because the Ring of Scale had spies all over Norrath, even on many great councils like the Overking Bethzids council and they used this power as an advantage to voice there opinions on such councils and made there agents reason with other factions so that it would benefit the Ring of Scale.
dont know where to put this but it seems to fit the topic. why is it all the dragons so far have to be bad and/or killed? where are the good ones? i know the two in DoF arnt really bad per say but you have to kill them and i know nagafen is to hard to kill but he isent really all that good. wonder what the rest of the RoS and CoV that dident go to KoS are up to.
The dragons have never really been Good or Evil. There arn't any dragons out there who feel that they should fight for justice or anything like that. It's just that dragons are so powerful in themselves that it comes down to how helping others can benfit thier own personal goals. Good and Evil, Right and Wrong.. it really doesn't apply to dragons.
I deffinately have to agree here with Cusashorn saying dragons are like human children they are not inherently evil or good. However how they differ is that over time they emass such power that they decide how to use that power. Do they use it to justify their own means or do they seek enlightenment benefiting others. However right now we have only seen Nagafen as a supposed "Neutral" dragon where by helping him out you are rewarded for your efforts. Thats about it, vox can't quite qualify because she is well dead and you quote "fail to ressurect her" according to nagafen. However like you say it is perplexing that most dragons we have seen now are considered by us to be "Evil". There was only one dragon that I have seen that was considered rightous if you wanted to say it like that. He resides in the BlackSpechuler *I think thats it* and is the form of a ghostly dragon that was murdered for standing up for what he believed in. Also thx for the info Cusashorn about the dragon power of illusion. If I had to say anything, what i'm thinking of is no mer illusion but a "Transmutation/Transformation" into a humanoid like form like we see with the gold/silver dragons of Maj'dul. But as to a reason behind this power no doubt it would be for spying on humans, influencing some of their decisions and the like. I mean if you get down to it how do you know some of the past leaders of the EverQuest history book weren't dragons?
good or bad it just seems all to often have to end up killing them. other then nagafen so far what other dragon is there that dosent have to be killed. would think that some of the dragons would actualy help out others rather then manipulate or control them. then agen like it was said with that much power pretty much everything becomes a plaything.
MoD1133: Dragons have a much more powerful illusion spell then the second generation coercers/illusionists i would guess, this is because the Ring of Scale had spies all over Norrath, even on many great councils like the Overking Bethzids council and they used this power as an advantage to voice there opinions on such councils and made there agents reason with other factions so that it would benefit the Ring of Scale. Amana: Also thx for the info Cusashorn about the dragon power of illusion. If I had to say anything, what i'm thinking of is no mer illusion but a "Transmutation/Transformation" into a humanoid like form like we see with the gold/silver dragons of Maj'dul. But as to a reason behind this power no doubt it would be for spying on humans, influencing some of their decisions and the like. I mean if you get down to it how do you know some of the past leaders of the EverQuest history book weren't dragons? What your saying MoD1133 is that the Dragons have a much more Powerful illusion than our 2nd rate chanters. However I added a further comment where if I had to really and I mean REALLY think about it that is no mer illusion. It might be a whole nother thing where they can transform into the humanoid creatures of their choosing gaining those traits for a short time along with those traits being augmented by their own dragon power. However I agree 100% with you that the reason behind this illusion/transmutation/transformation power whatever it maybe called is for spying on people during the EQ timeline influencing the choices to suit their needs. I mean who is to say that the dragons don't view us as insignificant pests/insects that are to meddle about on this world while they the "Chosen Beings" deserve to rule over the land. But as another person stated has there really been any dragon in EQ history existance that has shown themselves willingly to mortals trying to benefit the greater good?
The Four Crusaders were the 2nd generation of Warders who were given the task of putting Kerafyrm to sleep and seeing to it that he never woke up again after that. They arn't so much fighting for the general good of everyone as they are just looking out for dragon kind because they were ordered to.
This is not true. The crusaders are protecting the whole plane of existence not just dragons. The crusaders were the the four apprentices before they were going to take on the role of the four warders, but when Kerafyrm was awoken and flew off after killing Yelinak they changed there roles to the four crusaders of Veeshan, they fight not just for dragon kind but for the second generation also. They are trying to protect and keep balance in the universe.
Wait a minute how can Kerafyrm be loose if the four crusaders of Veeshan were supposed to keep him bound for all time? Did they die during the shattering and could it be possible that the dragon skeleton in Lavastorm is one of them?
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Kerafyrm is loose because the four apprentices ( now the four crusaders) were suppose to take over in making sure Kerafyrm stayed sleeping while he was still in his enchantment. But the second generation killed the four warders and set free the sleeper, who instantly went in a berserk rage to kill Lord Yelinak in Skyshrine. They could not have had the time to recapture Kerafyrm, especially just the four of them alone against a powerful prismatic dragon. I think they might have died during the shattering or something because i bet if they were alive they would be fighting the Awakened. It could be possible the four Ancients finished them off a long time ago because they were already starting a war against each other. Turudramin was the only dragon to speak against the Awakeneds beliefs and he was punished severly, i dont think this would ahve been possible if the crusaders of veeshan were alive to start there own faction.
One thing I have learned MoD1133 is to never count out EQ2 history and lore till the Lore gods on high say it is so. It is quite possible the four crusaders exist now not being killed off by the shattering but having their power weekend. I have to say it would be quite interesting to see a huge Live event where we must gather essences of power from all across norrath like for the spire event. Except these essences will be 4 different types and will be require to seal away Kerafyrm since he is running amok right now. As for Turudramin ya he is possibly the exception however he stood against the awakened for the original beliefs of the children of Veeshan I believe. So who is to say those beliefs weren't corrupt as well? But it is mostly him, nagafen, and Vox that I have seen that do not attack you. *Vox being a small exception having 2 forms*.
Updated the front with the prevelant information that was provided by everyone. Dragon names, Dragon types, elemental types, as well as some lore about 2 dragons within EQ2 right now.