Fixed Internally Necro undead knight backs off at random times

Discussion in 'Resolved' started by Plugh, Aug 22, 2022.

  1. Plugh New Member

    At seemingly random times will start to receive "Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly." Eventually pet will back off as if I had been inactive. The problem is that I'm not. I've gotten this message right after combat, while in a quest conversation, and even while camping. This seemed to start after the last release. It isn't a critical problem but it can be annoying. I asked around if anyone else was having this issue but no one at the time noticed it.
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  2. Miragian Well-Known Member

    Is it just this pet? that aside, why are you not using the scout pet (which is the only one that really does damage.)
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  3. Holdolin Member

    My mage pets do this all the time. I'll be literally going through quest dialog and mixed in is "your pet will back off soon due to inactivity" as well as when I'm out harvesting. Kinda funny when it happens while flying, as it goes into this loop "backing your pet off"/"you can't give your pet commands right now" always amusing to watch the server argue with itself.
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  4. Carribea Active Member

    wait...the scout pet? i always used the mage pet...knight honestly sucked, scout did pretty much nothing tho when i started
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  5. Uwkete-of-Crushbone Well-Known Member

    Ordinarily I'd wonder if "inactivity" meant you weren't fighting constantly, but if it's doing it to Plugh right after he finished a combat, then yeah, it sounds like a bug. X-P

    Especially with the server arguing with itself... ;->

    Uwk
  6. Plugh New Member

    I had always assumed previously that "inactivity" meant "no key pressed or button clicked". Now I'm not sure.
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  7. Holdolin Member

    Well that's the standard definition of no activity, but I've seen some strange things floating around this game, like the server arguing with itself...
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  8. Whilhelmina Well-Known Member

    We talked about it for a bit. I never saw the problem on my Conjuror (Fiery Magician X [expert]).
    I also didn't see it on my necro (Grim Sorcerer X, [grandmaster])

    A necro online said it happened a lot with the reaper pet and with the SK pet and also with the Death's devotion pet.
    He also said that it started with defend me and protect itself deactivating first then assist me.

    I activated assist me just to be on the same set. I'm with a 125 necro (Wilhelmina) & 125 conju (Leucosia) on Test server.
    - Necro with Reaper is not deactivating (I'm in Svarni standing around for 15 minutes without moving)
    same with undead knight XII (expert)
    Trying again with Reaper in Echo Cavern. Finally got a warning at 30 minutes mark without moving or typing anything so it's 30 minutes full inactivity which is normal.

    - Conju with Aery Hunter IX (expert) is not deactivating either (in Karrupa for 15 minutes without moving)
    same with earthen avatar XII (grandmaster)
    Trying again with Aery Hunter in Aurelian Coast. Nothing.

    I tried to kill some stuff to match what Muertica did below to no avail. It's too late to continue right now, so I'll look some more tomorrow.


    I didn't redo my AA or Prestige for 2 years or so so it might be tied to something like that.

    Muertica, on Test too, 125 necro, is running the daily TS in Forlorn with reaper pet, looking if it's deactivating. It didn't.
    She was in Echo Caverns doing dropped quests in the mushroom area when she noticed her pet was inactive.
    She's trying again in Echo Cavern doing nothing and it didn't kick.
    She had it happen while doing POI quests in Echo Caverns (Secret of Crystal Pinnacle) and submitted a bug under "combat".

    Hennamae, SK, on Test, just reported it happening while in Aurelian Coast WHILE fighting mobs.


    My main idea right now is that it could be tied to AA/Prestige (I didn't redo mine for 2 years or so and they're pretty outdated) or to some adorns as a lot are expansion-tied.
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  9. Plugh New Member

    Thanks for looking at this, Wilhelmina. So here's some more detail. I have the auto assist, protect me, and protect yourself all enabled normally. I also have a merc and it doesn't experience this problem (it doesn't suspend). As for AA, I agree that it could always be tied to that somehow; my level is 74 so no prestige. I think that the problem clears for a while if I log out and back in, but I haven't confirmed that repeatedly. I think the problem may also clear for a while if I zone. I haven't tried dismissing the pet and recasting because it's a pain to wait for some of my pet buffs to recover. Once my pet backs off, if I re-enable the three pet settings mentioned, then in only a few minutes I get more of the inactivity complaint messages. I've had the pet back off twice within five minutes.
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  10. Denmum Developer

    Caith is going to be looking into this.
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  11. Miragian Well-Known Member

    Originally I didn't have an issue with this but, going through the timeline for Kurn's tower access (original version access) my pet is trying to go inactive in Fens within like 30 seconds of holding still will running around here. Pet is mentored to 85 Nightshade IX (Ancient). The problem seems to be that the inactivity timer isn't resetting even when you move, reset it to defend, etc.

    Unless something has changed as of I think it was BOL? The majority of the summoner pets did not work properly because of their cast order or something, so only the scout pet does any real damage. The difference between scout and mage pet is pretty drastic and the tank pet I think has never done much though, it is tanky, I think.

    Maybe at lower level this isn't the case, so if you aren't I dunno 110+ maybe it isn't a problem.
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  12. Whilhelmina Well-Known Member

    My Fiery magician just deactivated in Svarni's Expense (Fiery Magician X [expert]). I was flying around and gathering shinies to complete my collections when I suddenly realized that I was trailing mobs instead of having them getting killed around me. It's the first time it happened to me to my knowledge.
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  13. Whilhelmina Well-Known Member

    Here's the log, starting just after reactivating my pet for the second time.
    Note that he didn't deactivate right away, I had several messages, then they stopped, then it started again and he went off. Note that I had been in the zone for more than an hour before it started happening.
    I don't have auto-assist enabled.
    I also harvest using a macro (/target_nearest_npc mine, gather, forest, trap, fish, collect) so I'm using my keyboard all the time.

    http://eq2artisans.faerylands.eu/uploads/images/pet-back-off.txt
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  14. Rolant Member

    I'm being spammed. (Necro 125, Nightshade IX, while harvesting in Svarni Expanse)

    (1661791585)[Mon Aug 29 09:46:25 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661791599)[Mon Aug 29 09:46:39 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661791617)[Mon Aug 29 09:46:57 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661791633)[Mon Aug 29 09:47:13 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661791737)[Mon Aug 29 09:48:57 2022] \#FF9900Your pet will no longer protect you due to your inactivity.
    (1661791758)[Mon Aug 29 09:49:18 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661791773)[Mon Aug 29 09:49:33 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661791783)[Mon Aug 29 09:49:43 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661791832)[Mon Aug 29 09:50:32 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661791843)[Mon Aug 29 09:50:43 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661791872)[Mon Aug 29 09:51:12 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661791878)[Mon Aug 29 09:51:18 2022] \#FF9900Your pet will no longer protect you due to your inactivity.
    (1661791927)[Mon Aug 29 09:52:07 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661791984)[Mon Aug 29 09:53:04 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661792046)[Mon Aug 29 09:54:06 2022] \#FF9900Your pet will no longer protect you due to your inactivity.
    (1661792080)[Mon Aug 29 09:54:40 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661792137)[Mon Aug 29 09:55:37 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661792180)[Mon Aug 29 09:56:20 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661792200)[Mon Aug 29 09:56:40 2022] \#FF9900Your pet will no longer protect you due to your inactivity.
    (1661792258)[Mon Aug 29 09:57:38 2022] \#FF9900Your pet will no longer protect you due to your inactivity.
    (1661792332)[Mon Aug 29 09:58:52 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661792394)[Mon Aug 29 09:59:54 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661792808)[Mon Aug 29 10:06:48 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661792820)[Mon Aug 29 10:07:00 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661792825)[Mon Aug 29 10:07:05 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661792897)[Mon Aug 29 10:08:17 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661792936)[Mon Aug 29 10:08:56 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661792989)[Mon Aug 29 10:09:49 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661793053)[Mon Aug 29 10:10:53 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661793075)[Mon Aug 29 10:11:15 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661793122)[Mon Aug 29 10:12:02 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661793135)[Mon Aug 29 10:12:15 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661793227)[Mon Aug 29 10:13:47 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661793258)[Mon Aug 29 10:14:18 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661793277)[Mon Aug 29 10:14:37 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661793289)[Mon Aug 29 10:14:49 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661793401)[Mon Aug 29 10:16:41 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661793453)[Mon Aug 29 10:17:33 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661793506)[Mon Aug 29 10:18:26 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661793581)[Mon Aug 29 10:19:41 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661793591)[Mon Aug 29 10:19:51 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661793607)[Mon Aug 29 10:20:07 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661793663)[Mon Aug 29 10:21:03 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661793664)[Mon Aug 29 10:21:04 2022] \#FF9900Your inactivity will cause your pet to back off shortly.
    (1661793701)[Mon Aug 29 10:21:41 2022] \#FF9900Your pet will no longer protect you due to your inactivity.
    (1661793711)[Mon Aug 29 10:21:51 2022] \#FF9900Your pet will no longer protect you due to your inactivity.
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  15. Whilhelmina Well-Known Member

    That's even worse than my streak. You get the message every 15 seconds but it doesn't deactivate the pet right away.
    How long were you in the zone before it started happening?
    I realized that I'm always instance hoping, so I never stay more than 45 minutes in a zone (and that was in Awuidor) but yesterday, I was for a long time in the zone when it started happening.
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  16. Plugh New Member

    In my case if I zone hop it doesn't happen. I don't have an exact amount of time but it seems like I have to be in the zone at least about 30-45 mins more or less. I will turn on logging the next time I plan to be in a zone for a while so I can capture the whole session. It's been hard for me to reproduce the same way consistently. Something I do notice: I run in windowed mode instead of full-screen mode because I multitask. Recently I noticed that if I bring up another app (viewing this bug report in browser is a real example) and place over the game window, the game quickly starts to complain about my inactivity (it wasn't the first complaint that session, though). It could be that the client suffers from separation anxiety but it could be legitimate behavior because the client thinks I've gone afk or turned into a bot. I'm going to try to reproduce. It may be that my multitasking is adding to my problems. Yet I've been doing the same thing for years without having my pet back off. Update: haven't been able to reproduce yet, might just have been coincidence.
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  17. Rolant Member

    The log says I zoned in SE at 9:18am, so it started to happen after 28min in the zone.
    My pet was taking care of killing mobs while I harvested. After I saw these messages, I tried killing mobs by myself but it didn't change anything.
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  18. Whilhelmina Well-Known Member

    I didn't have it happen in Awuidor the only time I ran it with the necro (30-45 minutes run) and I stayed afk for a while while finishing stuff on the other account first so I stayed in the zone very long BUT I killed stuff myself the whole time. I 2-box usually, so I'm always in windowed mode (and multi-tasks too)
    I note the "my pet was taking care of killing mobs while I harvested" and this does seem like a common trend for most people I spoke with. It never happened to me before I did that with Leucosia.
    It might be a combination of long time in the zone + not killing anybody and leaving the pet to kill stuff by himself (+ windowed mode?). Then, once it starts, you're done and it keeps happening whatever you do, so something gets triggered by something then stays triggered (the separation anxiety ;p)
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  19. Plugh New Member

    In retrospect, it does seem to happen when my pet does most of the killing while I'm doing other stuff like harvesting. Is it possible there is a rule that if a pet kills X mobs without assistance within Y minutes then you're suspected of playing improperly or breaking some kind of game policy? The windowed mode is probably a side issue, but who knows. Later when I have more time I'll see if I can reproduce using those conditions.
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  20. Taled Well-Known Member

    There is certainly code in place to prevent players from using their pets to AFK farm areas, yes. It *shouldn't* trigger if you're actively doing things while that is happening, like harvesting or running around, but if you've been standing still for a while with your pet killing things/etc it will definitely trigger some things - I don't know if they've updated it but it used to be a mainly 'Mobs will no longer give you any exp or loot', and 'Mercs will go do something else' code. Perhaps they added a 'Pets will no longer protect you' bit to it as well.
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