Limit TS Boosts on expansion claims. Everyone is making a pocket Sage or Provisioner.

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  1. Benito Ancient EQ2 Player: Lavastorm Server 2004.

    I think it’s time to limit TS Boosts from expansion claims to every 2-3 expansions. Everyone is making a pocket Sage or pocket Provisioner which is creating crazy high demand for these recipe books.
  2. Benito Ancient EQ2 Player: Lavastorm Server 2004.

    The saturation of these classes is also creating high demand on the mats.
  3. Elkana Active Member

    You don't think a lack of books is the problem? But too many sages / provisioners? lol
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  4. Benito Ancient EQ2 Player: Lavastorm Server 2004.

    Lots of people purchased CD Collector or Premium Editions which came with a 110 TS Boost. Remember everyone with the Skoria and Hestia mounts? They’ve used their TS Boosts mainly for Sage and Provisioner classes as those classes tend toward the immediate needs of adventuring and raiding.
  5. Pixistik Well-Known Member

    If they hadn't trivialized the gear progression then the other tradeskill classes would be in demand as well..as it stands its so messed up there is not going to be a way for them to fix it going forward until possibly the next expansion.
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  6. Cyrrena Well-Known Member

    Who needs an armorer or a weaponsmith they cannot make anything that is better than a drop. Who needs a tailor, the armor they make is worse than the drops and they cannot make bags bigger than you can get through some quests or the marketplace. People always need food/drinks. People always want potions and spellbooks.

    Sometimes the carpenters get lucky and find something that players that do not craft want but not very often, so who wants them?

    So basically you are left with provisioners, sages, alchemists, and woodworkers.
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  7. Benito Ancient EQ2 Player: Lavastorm Server 2004.

    While that may play a role, I think that - regardless of an expansion’s itemization - there’s too much TS Boosts being offered with each successive expansion. We are probably at 3-4+ top end boosts if someone has bought every CE or PE expac. Instead of 10-20 Sages competing for books and mats, you now have 50-100 Sages in the server’s market.
  8. Roadkillusa Active Member

    Has nothing to do with TS boosts and everything to do with making the drop rates rare and with changing how the TS books are done. Gear and weapons can still be made mastercraft from the same ts book system while they changed how spell recipes are done. Notice how you can buy spell upgrades via the marketplace? It is a money grab.
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  9. Melkior Well-Known Member


    OK, I find it pretty amusing that you think that there were only 10-20 sages competing for books before the boosts. I think I had a minimum of 10 in my guild at least, probably more. Same for provisioning. No what is driving the costs of the books is their availability. Two months in and despite running Overseers and PQs and research quests constantly, I have had 1 provisioner book, and 4 scholar expert books in total.
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  10. Dinea New Member

    I agree it has nothing to do with TS boosts. Furthermore, people have the right to make whatever type of crafter they want. I have dozens of crafters, on multiple servers, and most of them leveled up the hard way before TS boosts even became a thing. By the time the boost is available I have already maxed out my crafters so the boosts are usually worthless to me unless I roll a new character. Furthermore, if they are real crafters they probably have a stable of pack ponies out gather harvests for them everyday. I have so many BoL harvests my depot won't hold any more. I'm basically harvesting for the guild now.
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  11. Benito Ancient EQ2 Player: Lavastorm Server 2004.


    You are only account for supply (drop rates) and not demand (influx of Sages from TS boosts - especially considering how literally a sizeable portion of players bought CD Collector or Premium Edition).

    Spell upgrades (instant upgrade) has been around for years. What has changed? The saturation of TS boosts and now players competing for the same resources (books, mats).
  12. Benito Ancient EQ2 Player: Lavastorm Server 2004.


    The numbers (10-20:50-100) are an example. The problem may be both RNG and the saturation of new TS players (Sages, Provisioners, or other). Previously, people would sell surplus books and mats on broker. When the surplus sat, prices would go down (more get listed and price war for buyers). Now, more are competing in the market. Does it mean the game is competitive (more population wise, more on top end with TS and Heroic Boosts)? Maybe.
  13. Benito Ancient EQ2 Player: Lavastorm Server 2004.

    This is likely the same issue we had when Krono went to ridiculous prices (20m+) and scarcity during the Dragon Attack event. A plat dupe was not confirmed. EQ2 has always had a supply/demand panic curve. A handful or dozen of players can strongly influence the market. And, now with these TS boosts, they can now disproportionately affect the broader TS market.
  14. Benito Ancient EQ2 Player: Lavastorm Server 2004.


    Before, there were only serious crafters. Now, everyone and their mothers are Master Sages.

    Edit: Maybe Daybreak should set the TS Boosts to Level 70-90 to force players to be serious and work their way up. This would weed out the casual tradeskiller who distorts the market.
  15. Pixistik Well-Known Member



    After reading a few of your post, I am quite certain you are just typing to try and stir things up..not going to work with me as you have proven time and time again you don't have any idea what you are talking about... I fully understand now why you are known as a Bubble Gnome

    Maybe if you actually tried playing this game you would have a better understanding of what is really going on here
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  16. Benito Ancient EQ2 Player: Lavastorm Server 2004.



    It's not a conspiracy to swindle players out of cash. This situation is reminiscent of Dragon Attack Krono Panic of 2019. EQ2 has always had this weird supply/demand panic curve. (The nature of the broker system - as opposed to EQ1's crappy 2m Bazaar limit - really creates a vicious environment). TS boosts and returning players just aggravated that curve: dumping a boatload of casual tradeskillers as new-found buyers.
  17. Benito Ancient EQ2 Player: Lavastorm Server 2004.

    Honestly, at this point, EQ2 should go the way of EQ1 with recipe books and most mats on merchants. Either, you limit TS boosts or go all-in with the "Every Man a King Tradeskiller."
  18. Sigrdrifa EQ2 Wiki Author

    OP, I think your idea is far-fetched. I have 13 or 14 max level crafters, which include one of every flavor. LOTS of us have a full stable of crafters. And on mine, I leveled them all the old fashioned way.
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  19. Roadkillusa Active Member

    Explain why all other non spell making TS classes have not had their recipe books changed and also why they drop at a better rate than spell making books. Can you buy upgrades for your gear and weapons off the marketplace? No. Can you buy spell upgrades? Yes. Kind of self explanatory. Why only mess with the TS class that makes what you can upgrade on the marketplace? Money grab.
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  20. Benito Ancient EQ2 Player: Lavastorm Server 2004.



    The problem is that TS boosts does not affect hardcore, serious crafters but appeals to the masses of casual adventurers. These casual adventurers will unnecessarily scribe books and hoard mats. Instead of these items hitting the broker, they are lost to ether.
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