I'd really like a dev to explain the reasoning behind nerfing the final two hits of dance of metal. Sure, seafury thrust needed nerfing along with a boatload of other CoE class single target prestige AA, but why change DoM now when it was deemed fine pre CoE? Landing the final two DoM hits IS NOT INEVITABLE OR EVEN EASY. Just takes one stun, one detarget or one taunt and its wrecked basically. Not to mention the fact that if it doesn't crit it hits for less than 10k at a time when everyone is rocking 80k+ health. Swashbucklers do not have enough CC capability to overcome this nerf to burst dps which on top of the increases to toughness across the board are going to go a long way to making the class impotent to say the least.
I would assume this effects the brigands as well, Man my dps already sucks as it is DOM needs no nerfs.
10k at a time... that is a lot for a proc. You are fully aware of what swashies can put out for burst. You say 80k HP, but if each trigger is doing 5-10k per AND getting hit with CAs, pirate's spin, poison, autoattack and equipment procs etc. It all adds up really fast. You will be fine with the slight adjustment.
Except its not doing 5-10k per trigger. Just pulling one chain out at random (and they're all pretty much like this, so don't worry about me cherry picking or anything) On Nindakin the other day, who I believe is an inquisitor off the top of my head, a DoM chain went: 701 (crit), 732 (non crit), 1280 (non crit), 2083 (non crit), 4973 (crit), 6292 (non crit), 14932 (crit). Now bear in mind this is BEFORE the DoM nerf AND before toughness is increased on top of that, and as I've mentioned previously it would literally take just ONE stun / detarget to stop me making it to the final hit at least, possibly both last hits. Poison attack damage is nothing, as you should well know. Pirates spin only hits for like 1k a time anyway, auto isn't massive and equipment procs, you what? Grasping a bit there.
Can't really comment on brigand damage so much, mostly because you have much better phys mit debuffs, strongarm seems to hit fairly hard (no idea quite how hard though to be honest) and you do at least have slightly better CC.
Not grasping in the least, I have been PVPing long enough to not let someone try to hand me a line of BS. So lets tally this up, shall we? Lets do it in a realistic situation... I will even DRASTICALLY UNDERPLAY the damage 1000 CA 701 dom 1000 CA 732 dom 700 autoattack 500 poison 1000 pirate spin 1000 CA 1280 dom 1000 CA 2083 dom 700 autoattack 500 poison 1000 CA 4973 dom 1000 CA 6292 dom 700 autoattack 1000 CA 14932 dom total 42,093 damage with 8 CAs hitting way lower than what they really hit for... 8 CAs can be cast in about 6-7 seconds so with that said: 7015 DPS at 6s or 6013 DPS at 7s EDIT: For clarity's sake, 6-7 is calculating at 100% or nearly 100% casting speed. Without any recovery speed. If you had 100% recovery speed as well you would be able to do all of this damage in 4s. I see plenty of swashies CAs hit for more than 5k. So chances are you are actually doing about 24,000 more damage even calculating on the low end at an extra 3k per CA multiplied by 8. So lets refigure that one.... 66093 is 11015 DPS at 6s or 9441 DPS at 7s EDIT: Yet again for clarity's sake, realistically it is more like 8 CAs hitting for around these numbers: 2k, 3k, 5k, 5k, 6k, 7k, 10k, 10k. Which is 24k over my other damage listed. This is also calculating your autoattack hitting about 300-700 lower than what you can hit. Also this is not accounting for Inspired Daring, possible triggers of En Garde and procs off of Daring Advance.
Exactly, I never seen a class that can literally make me explode within 2 seconds Swashys are a t2 dps they shouldn't be doing more damage then t1 as they currently are. This change was needed, like I said Delthan you are soso and this fix will show that.
What are you loling about? 0.5s casting time on nearly all of your CAs, 0.5s recovery speed 100% casting = 0.25s CA casting and 100% recovery = 0.25s recovery, for a total of 0.5s per CA. You can figure out the rest I am sure. And you can reforge into recovery speed.
Ok Xeos, just for you: random extraction of a DoM segment on Nindakin (random chance, wasn't the same BG / encounter I've mentioned previously) (1361411042)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:02 2013] YOUR Interrupt hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 403 slashing damage. (1361411042)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:02 2013] YOUR Daring Attack critically hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 845 piercing damage. (1361411044)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:04 2013] YOUR Walk the Plank critically hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 1663 slashing damage. (1361411044)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:04 2013] YOUR Daring Attack critically hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 1082 piercing damage. (1361411044)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:04 2013] YOUR Dance of Metal hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 479 slashing damage. (1361411044)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:04 2013] YOUR Kidney Stab critically hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 3612 slashing damage. (1361411044)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:04 2013] YOUR Daring Attack critically hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 742 piercing damage. (1361411044)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:04 2013] YOUR Dance of Metal critically hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 1099 slashing damage. (1361411045)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:05 2013] YOUR Viscerate critically hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 6177 slashing damage. (1361411045)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:05 2013] YOUR Daring Attack critically hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 1156 piercing damage. (1361411045)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:05 2013] YOUR Dance of Metal critically hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 1927 slashing damage. (1361411046)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:06 2013] YOUR Lung Puncture critically hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 4280 slashing damage. (1361411046)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:06 2013] YOUR Daring Attack hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 456 piercing damage. (1361411046)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:06 2013] YOUR Counterattack hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 950 slashing damage. (1361411046)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:06 2013] YOUR Dance of Metal hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 2123 slashing damage. (1361411047)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:07 2013] YOUR Razor Edge hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 2075 slashing damage. (1361411047)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:07 2013] YOUR Vitality Breach hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 269 poison damage. (1361411047)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:07 2013] YOUR Daring Attack hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 483 piercing damage. (1361411047)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:07 2013] YOUR Counterattack critically hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 1777 slashing damage. (1361411047)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:07 2013] YOUR Dance of Metal critically hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 5068 slashing damage. (1361411048)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:08 2013] YOUR Traumatic Swipe critically hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 1685 slashing damage. (1361411048)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:08 2013] YOUR Strike of Faith hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 1017 divine damage. (1361411048)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:08 2013] YOUR Evade critically hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 390 crushing damage. (1361411048)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:08 2013] YOUR Daring Attack hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 657 piercing damage. (1361411048)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:08 2013] YOUR Counterattack hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 673 slashing damage. (1361411048)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:08 2013] YOUR Dance of Metal critically hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 8285 slashing damage. (1361411048)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:08 2013] You cannot see your target. (1361411048)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:08 2013] YOUR Torporous Strike critically hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 2277 slashing damage. (1361411048)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:08 2013] YOUR Strike of Faith critically hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 1509 divine damage. (1361411048)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:08 2013] YOUR Daring Attack hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 640 piercing damage. (1361411048)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:08 2013] YOUR Counterattack hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 753 slashing damage. (1361411048)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:08 2013] YOUR Dance of Metal critically hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 13250 slashing damage. (1361411049)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:09 2013] YOUR Evasive Maneuvers hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 2818 slashing damage. (1361411049)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:09 2013] YOUR Strike of Faith hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 996 divine damage. (1361411049)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:09 2013] YOUR Daring Attack hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 514 piercing damage. (1361411049)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:09 2013] YOUR Dance of Metal hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 13345 slashing damage. (1361411049)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:09 2013] Your target is too far away! Move closer! (1361411049)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:09 2013] Your target is too far away! Move closer! (1361411049)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:09 2013] Your target is too far away! Move closer! (1361411050)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:10 2013] Your target is too far away! Move closer! (1361411050)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:10 2013] Your target is too far away! Move closer! (1361411050)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:10 2013] Your target is too far away! Move closer! (1361411050)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:10 2013] Your target is too far away! Move closer! (1361411051)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:11 2013] YOUR Devious Blade hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 2147 slashing damage. (1361411051)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:11 2013] YOUR Daring Attack hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 499 piercing damage. (1361411051)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:11 2013] YOUR Counterattack hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 930 slashing damage. (1361411051)[Thu Feb 21 01:44:11 2013] YOUR Spinning Flurry hits Butcherblock.Nindakin for 1214 slashing damage.
I have 100% casting speed, I have 100% recovery, I cannot do all that in 4 seconds. Most of my DoM chains probably never make it past the 7th hit.
Totaling 90257 damage in 9s or 10,028 dps... where was dashing swathe in that btw. That usually hits for 10-15k as well.
I don't have a BL and never plan on making one. Also, please stay on subject or go back to your PVE server. The PVP folks are discussing pvp changes
You keep mentioning this total damage but you provide absolutely no baseline by which to judge it. Show me ranger / assassin / BL / Brigand damage and maybe it will be something other than meaningless. Also, considering its on an inquisitor, who by the way didn't die, lets not lose sight of the fact that people can, you know, heal as well? As for dashing swathe - if you're trying to focus burn DoM on a char, you aren't going to use an AE in a crowd.
Wow, if the tank didn't have a healer with them and was afk not spamming DRs or wards or anything you may have triggered one of their death prevents. Hope you can keep it up another 30 sec or so to actually take them down. When you are fighting a brawler or pally 90k in 9 sec means next to nothing. Why do you think that needs to get nerfed, what can a BL with primals do in 9sec, 200k? (t1 dps shouldn't be 100% higher than t2 in BG) I don't play a swashy but I know they are not OP, because I can take them down as a t1 dps. If we nerf them much further they are going to become a t3 dps. Just make me lulz that there are all these nerfs to different classes and the BL has barely been touched, seems like SoE is directing us to play a certain class.
I haven't seen anyone arguing that Beastlords aren't extremely overpowered, Except for Beastlords themselves... funny how that works huh? Heck, I have said it myself several times. Anyways, I will give you a piece of advice, make a thread dedicated to it, why they should be nerfed and what should be nerfed. Complaining in this thread is pointless and slinging around baseless accusations against a fellow Assassin is also silly. I am sorry that my requests for nerfs to my own class is affecting you so much. Perhaps you should re-roll while you still have a chance if you REALLY think they are going to be that bad off.
