I am aware, I felt it was pertinent to bring up one of the large exodus's and why from people I talk to because of the impending ToV, while impossible to make any large changes sometimes it pays to be reminded of past failure.This thread mostly concerns the 1st month of DoV not including Drunder or subsequent changes that occurred 3+ months after DoV was released which saw some significant stat adjustments because I remember when people cried "PQ Gear got nerfed" around 3.5 months into the expansion. Do keep in mind that this is what others have told me. My personal views are moot in this thread and I am simply being the middleman for what others who do not post on the forums have said. I had no issues with DoV, I ended up enjoying it more then CoE in some respects but I am still here and yet a large portion of players are not. SF had it's share of issues but Erudin Palace and Vigilant were the "end heroic" zones. In DoV players were walking into Great Divide and dying to badgers and dying in ToFS as fast as people died in Erudin Palace. The difference? Erudin Palace was "high end Heroic" and ToFS was "starter Heroic" that is the big difference. In DoV the "Erudin Palace" was "Temple of Rallos Zek"