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ARCHIVED--Aonein- · Jan 27, 2005

“13th Warrior wrote:

Moorguard, I bet you play a Wiz character or Monk.
Message Edited by 13th Warrior on 01-26-2005 11:44 PM”

Your right, he plays a monk. Im not sure if he does now, but he did when i was playing my monk, but lets not fall of the subject of the OP here, many of our skills are " borked " and its probally why we dont tank as good as a Guard and why we are only getting 10% more dps when a guard cant tank 30% better, no one knows yet till they post a fix on what the problems are, but be careful, our Adept 1 - 3 may be working as intended and App 1 - 4 could be over powered.
The idea of more nerfing to a class that has already recieved 3 " adjustments " from day one already is what sickens me.
Taemek Frozenberg 35th Berserker
16th Outfitter
Co-Leader of Justice Bringers
Everfrost Server

Aonein Amillion 26th Monk ( retired )
18th outfitter
Everfrost Server

Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )
70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist
Five Rings on Luclin Server

"We are the two halves of the Flowing Circle, the light and the dark. If either grows too weak or too strong, the circle collapses on itself. Here, I will draw a Flowing Circle in the sand for you. Meditate upon the dual nature of our order and ourselves as you practice Kitten Swims Upstream. Perhaps, if you learn something from your meditations, Brother Tenshin will teach the kitten to become a tiger."
Message Edited by -Aonein- on 01-27-2005 07:16 PM

ARCHIVED-Trumluk · Jan 27, 2005

Earlier I posted that vicious strike wasn't lasting through the entire counter. I have verified that not only isn't vicious strike counting down completely but any of our DOT strikes like concussion, vicious strike, Strong Bear's Deep Wound, Wound do not seem to last thier entire countdown. To do this test I would attack a mob and use 1 hit at a time. I'd leave the pointer over the icon so I could observe the countdown. Each time when the counter reached 3.0 seconds they would dissapear. Have /feddback'd and /bug'd but thought we should update the skills to all.

I would love to parse this but the parser doesn't seem to track DOT's starting and stopping. Also no timestamp so this issue is hard to prove without doing it. Also important that you do this on green or better mobs.
Message Edited by JokitoRoyo on 01-27-2005 07:54 AM

ARCHIVED-CherobylJoe · Jan 27, 2005

“13th Warrior wrote:

Having us at 10% more damage than a Guardian is laughable as we've got 30% less defense then a guard too . A bigger joke was reading Moorguards statement where he mentions '....we still want the berserkers to have fun' (along those lines anyways) my answer to this is 'Yeah, right, you wouldn't know what fun is unless it bit you square on the left testicle'

Message Edited by 13th Warrior on 01-26-2005 11:44 PM”

Dude lets focus this thread on whats broken and not turn into a diatriabe on class balance. Also attacking devs isnt going to make them want to read this thread.

ARCHIVED-ZOAR007 · Jan 27, 2005

made a few changes to the 1st page, check it out

ARCHIVED-LauraG · Jan 28, 2005

Dont know if this was mentioned :

RAMPAGE: lv 50 skill

As it is, it does damage 8 times to 5 mobs, around 170 damage a hit with adept 3. Nothing too bad about this so far, until you look at the timer

1 hour ??????????????????????? A lv 50 skill, one of the few areas we get on a 1 hour timer???

This skill does like this : 5 mbs x 8 hits x 170 damage = 6800 damage every hour.

Take any other damage skill, the average damage per hour is 65000+

I would like to see ramapage on a 5 mins timer.

ARCHIVED--Aonein- · Jan 28, 2005

“LauraG wrote:
Dont know if this was mentioned :

RAMPAGE: lv 50 skill

As it is, it does damage 8 times to 5 mobs, around 170 damage a hit with adept 3. Nothing too bad about this so far, until you look at the timer

1 hour ??????????????????????? A lv 50 skill, one of the few areas we get on a 1 hour timer???

This skill does like this : 5 mbs x 8 hits x 170 damage = 6800 damage every hour.

Take any other damage skill, the average damage per hour is 65000+

I would like to see ramapage on a 5 mins timer.”

Yeah 1 hour is a bit extreme, i been talking to a few Berserker on Everfrost about that, 5 mins is still a bit much, 40 - 60 seconds seem to be where alot of people feel it should be, and seeing it only does 170 dmg at adept 3, its not a huge increase in DPS, but a decent fix thats for sure.
Taemek Frozenberg 35th Berserker
16th Outfitter
Co-Leader of Justice Bringers
Everfrost Server

Aonein Amillion 26th Monk ( retired )
18th outfitter
Everfrost Server

Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )
70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist
Five Rings on Luclin Server

"We are the two halves of the Flowing Circle, the light and the dark. If either grows too weak or too strong, the circle collapses on itself. Here, I will draw a Flowing Circle in the sand for you. Meditate upon the dual nature of our order and ourselves as you practice Kitten Swims Upstream. Perhaps, if you learn something from your meditations, Brother Tenshin will teach the kitten to become a tiger."

ARCHIVED-Davish_Darkwolf · Jan 28, 2005

"We have no place now in a group. If you want a tank grab a Guardian or a Monk, if you want a tank to laugh at and throw insults at how crap you are, choose Berserker."

LOL go and play a guardian or monk, you have no idea of what a Zerker is, sorry.

ARCHIVED-Erick_Stormfury · Jan 28, 2005

good idea zoar, you need to move some of the original skills to the improvement catagory....
heres my take on the skills we have so far:

“There are 3 categories. Fixed abilities, Broken Combat Abilities, and Combat Abilities That Need Improvement

Fixed Abilites:

Zip, nada, diddly. I like how they address our forum and do absolutly nothing. :smileymad:

Broken Combat Abilities:

Bloodlust Adept 3 is no improvement to app3. (after the nerf i wasted 20g's on a rare, all my cash at the time for nothin)
It doesn't show up on the left as an mantained spell for me. All other spells do. Have to sift thru the million active spells on the right to see if it is sitll up or not.

Tides of War adept 1, works but doesnt show up under maintained spells

Rupture is not working properly. Doesn't show up under maintained spells.

Focus Rage All mele attacks stop while this thing is casting. It's sapposed to increase dps ultimatly, but ironically with its long cast time, the proc will actually reduce dps. It needs to be instant berserk, not waste half the fight casting berserk. This can't be as intended. I'm not referring to buffing the spell during combat. I'm referring to when the buffs procing berserk. The berserk in this case takes mass time to cast and can go off several times during combat. All that time it takes for the proc to cast takes away damage. The proc just needs to be insta berserk like all the other combat arts that proc berserk. (this should be taken off the list, as the poster did not understand that even though your toon goes through the animation of buffing himself, he still continues to swing, there is no loss of dps due to the animation)

Anarchy only procs 1x. You nerf it only to give us a broken spell.

Geater Fury isn't working at all as far as i can tell. The spell duration or something is wrong, itll disappear between 10sec and sometime 30 sec and sometimes longer. Doesnt show under maintained spells, This is on my adept 1

Coup De Grace - This skill I have at adept 1, its on the same timer as forced swing and can be used when stunned. however, the secondary ability of causing the zerker a "short" beserk after the enemy is slain doesn't seem to work. Note: this skill does not say there is a CHANCE, it says it GRANTS a short duration beserk. I can say for sure, it does not, I have tried everything from timing the killing blow to be performed by coup de grace, to just spamming it on a mob, to everything in between. doesn't seem to work.

Raging Strike - This skill i have at adept 1, its supposed to reduce damage, but have a chance to beserk with each hit. I don't notice any reduction in damage, the chance to beserk is for about 1 or 2 hits, and VERY VERY rarely causes a beserk. In my opinion this skill should be active for more then the 1 second that its active for.

Furious Onslaught - This skill I have at adept 1, its supposed to be a AoE that puts the beserker in a beserk state. (note NOT A CHANCE, but PUT IN A BESERK STATE) this skill is an effective AoE attack that hits ALL enemies around you for 50-70 points of damage, however it does NOT put you in a beserk state ever. In addition, it takes an extreamly long time to cast (3 seconds) so unless your fighting 3 or more mobs, its really not worth using. because you'll pause to cast and give up more damage then what you gain from it unless your fighting 3 or more mobs. even with 3, its really not worth the power it costs to cast this.

Fury - This skill I have at adept 1, it gives you a chance to strike back (doing 74 points of damage back) on any hit that hits you. This is a great skill, and I try to keep it up any time im in a fight. The timer seems to be screwed up on it however, because after it runs out, the re-use timer resets and you have to wait the 90 seconds a second time in order to refresh it. if you catch it just before it goes out, you can keep it up perpetually though. (this is a 3 minute buff) Aside from the counter reset, it rarely lasts the entire 3:00 minutes . The master 1 doesnt show in maintained spells, but seems to be working.

Stand Firm - This skill I have at adept 1, This allows you to shield someone in your party from attacks. I find it pretty hard to cast effectively because on the rare occasions i lose aggro, I find it rather hard to get the person targetted, cast it (3 second cast which is an eternaty) and then get back to trying to taunt the mob off. I never really use this skill because i find it more effective just to bash my taunts and high damage, and short casting buffs, then casting this spell. This skill would be much more effective if the casting time was shortened significantly. The problem with this skill isn't switching targets, its it has a 3 second cast timer. that is WAY too long, you can fire off 4 taunts in that time, and be much more effective then casting this skill.

Intervene - This skill I have at adept 1, long term buff that allows you to take damage instead of the person that you have intervine on. You take damage as if you were wearing what the person your intervining is wearing, so if your intervining on a caster, when they draw aggro and you take the hits for them. you take damage as if you were wearing that crappy armor. This skill is frustrating to me, because it randomly drops for no reason. It seems like any time I would have this on, when i really need it, its just happened to "drop". I rarely use it now.

Balok's challenge - This took my anger adept 1's place its a specialty skill that takes angers palce, works just as well as my anger, taunt, but it supposed to cause the zerker to beserk (doesnt say chance, says causes to beserk) however, it seems as if it flashes as if its proc'ing a chance to beserk, and i never see it actually put me in a beserk state. I dont think its actually working. Also when attacking some named ^^^ i get THIS SPELL ISN'T POWERFUL ENOUGH.

Rescue - I have this skill at adept 1, This skill is supposed to cause you to raise one spot on the hate list of the mob. I've never actually had it work. I'm not sure if the only time i lose aggro is when theres some sort of aggro bug, therefore it doesnt work, or its just broken. again, i only try to use it (because of the long recast on it) when my healer (who i normally group with, as a two-some) gets aggro, and so far, its never worked. I've tested this quite a bit, and seems my previous times of when i lost aggro, and couldn't get it to work, was because of "broken aggro" encounters, seems to be working, and can be taken off this list)

Sunder - I have this skill at adept 1, this skill is just a mess. It seems this should have been our group taunt for the 30's but instead we received this the same level we got enrage, and we dont get a group taunt in our 30's. In addition its supposed to do an AoE taunt (Which it does) and knockdown your opponents. well, it used to knock them down, but now it doesn't. of course when it DID knock them down, it was a visual effect only, monsters continued to attack you from thier back, and half the time it would knock you down as well, but again, it didnt matter, because you'd continue to attack from your back.

Stifled Rage - I have this skill at adept 1, this is a 3 minute buff, that reduces your attack speed and buffs your defense by 6 points. however, it doesnt stack with soldiers stance, so basically this is a useless skill. the one point of defense increase is not worth the decrease in speed. this skill should stack with soldiers stance, and then it would be effective.

Vehemence seems to be broken, this is the last of the 3 min intervene skill line. I put it on the main tank and did not take a bit of damage for him. Not once. Not any.

Weapon Shield - At apprentice 1, this skill adds 5 points to parry, is a 3 minute buff, and requires 3 concentration. because soldier stance, requires 3 concentration, you can not ever have them active at once. soldier stance adds 5 to defense, and 5 to parry, and is a long term buff that lasts for 8+ hours. So at apprentice 1, this skill is completely useless. why would you ever cast this over soldier stance. I upgraded it to Apprentice 4, now this skill DOES NOTHING! it casts, makes a click sound almost like a fizzle, the reuse timer never sets, and no skill is cast. it is completely broken.

Murdunk's Tactics I cannot see wasting a training ability on this the way it is working now. It adds a 6-9 point slashing damage proc for 3 minutes, and has an 1800 second (30 minute) recast timer. The proc itself happens only occasionally during a battle, for a total damage of maybe 100 points at most.

Stunning Barrage doesnt stun. This is suppose to upgrade this ability to cause targets to stun and it does not work. Stunning barrage is definately not working.. or at least not
working well. I've just tested it a couple times by hitting a mob with it and immidiately moving away... it always follows instantely. Compare that to stunning cry which freezes the mobs in place for a couple seconds and it always seems to work unless resisted (usually by really tough mobs). At least they'll have to fix it for it to fit the name.

Press Its a skill when using a Shield that is supposed to lower enemy attack effectivness. However it doesn't seem to lower any DPS what so ever and does not add any icon to maintained spells like you'd get from Vicious Blow, so i'm not sure it really does anything but waste power

Battle Tactics Adept 3 is gimped. Measured using Barbarian Guardian:
Adept 1 gives 183hp for 39 mana.
Adept 3 gives 192hp for 42 mana.

Screaming Fury Upgraded from app1 to app4. It did not add any more hit points to me, but I havent been able to find out if it does affect haste rate. Any experience with these two skills?

Vicious strike wasn't lasting through the entire counter. I have verified that not only isn't vicious strike counting down completely but any of our DOT strikes like concussion, vicious strike, Strong Bear's Deep Wound, Wound do not seem to last thier entire countdown. To do this test I would attack a mob and use 1 hit at a time. I'd leave the pointer over the icon so I could observe the countdown. Each time when the counter reached 3.0 seconds they would dissapear. Have /feddback'd and /bug'd but thought we should update the skills to all.

Combat Abilities That Need Improvement

Whirlwind takes entirely too long to cast for entirely to little damage. The only time this spell is any good is if you are fighting mass green mobs. Otherwise it's interupted every time. There is no difference in damage between this spell and it's predecessor Furious Onslaught

Hunker Down Some would like to see it stack with other defensive abilites. as of right now, it slows down your attack rate, and keeps you from using any abilities thereby reducing your aggro, but all the main advantages, INCREASED DEFENSE being the main one, doesn't really work, because basically your a fool not to keep soldier stance up at all times, thereby, making this skill useless, better to just turn off your attack button, and not hit any special abilities, you'll drop aggro faster.”

-Erick

ARCHIVED-ZOAR007 · Jan 28, 2005

Nice info guys. appreciate the help

ARCHIVED-Notorious_GIB · Jan 28, 2005

[FaarNerfed!], this is depressing. I just started my class change night before last then stumbled across this thread. Beserker seemed more my style, but if the class is this broke I'm wondering if it's too late to go back to the trainer & switch to a Guardian. I haven't finished the class quest yet & I'm only level 19. I hope these issues get fixed.

ARCHIVED--Aonein- · Jan 28, 2005

ZOAR007, i went and asked a Alcy the other day if they could make me Reckless Counter and Greater Fury App IV, now when she was making Reckless Counter, the app IV version accually turned out as Greater Fury IV, and she didnt have no Greater Fury in her spell books ( lvl 40 Alcy ), so im just wondering if you can put in there something about Reckless Counter and Greater Fury, what is there purpose, and why does a Reckless Counter app IV come out as a Greater Fury app IV. I have no clue if we are suppose to get Reckless Counter and Greater Fury, but that certainly needs to be looked into.

Taemek Frozenberg 35th Berserker
16th Outfitter
Co-Leader of Justice Bringers
Everfrost Server

Aonein Amillion 26th Monk ( retired )
18th outfitter
Everfrost Server

Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )
70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist
Five Rings on Luclin Server

"We are the two halves of the Flowing Circle, the light and the dark. If either grows too weak or too strong, the circle collapses on itself. Here, I will draw a Flowing Circle in the sand for you. Meditate upon the dual nature of our order and ourselves as you practice Kitten Swims Upstream. Perhaps, if you learn something from your meditations, Brother Tenshin will teach the kitten to become a tiger."

ARCHIVED-Jherad · Jan 30, 2005

One note on Balok's Challenge (training upgrade to Anger) -

We know that this ability is now broken in that it no longer procs berserk - It did originally when it first went in, so a subsequent patch broke this it seems - However I am also having doubts about its taunting ability.

I was hunting in Nek Castle last night (Finally got the Fishbone earring - yay me ) and noticed that I kept losing aggro to a Lvl 35 Ranger (I was lvl 33 at the time) whilst fighting single ^^ mobs. I'm not -completely- lazy in the taunt department, so tried spamming BC whenever it was up, however this made no difference at all...

On a hunch, I then replaced BC with my old 'Anger' hotkey, and tried again - my aggro problems completely vanished. 1 Anger at the start, another 1 half way through and I was golden - no worries. I'm beginning to think that the taunt component of BC is completely fubard, or at least substantially less effective than Adept 1 Anger.

Anyone else done testing on this?

-Jherad
Lvl 34 Berserker

ARCHIVED-ZOAR007 · Jan 30, 2005

updated. New additions to the original page will go under the appropriate catagory, but will be in yellow lettering so what I added can be easily identified.

ARCHIVED-Erick_Stormfury · Jan 30, 2005

Thanks for the continued updates Zoar. keep up the good work.

and yes, playing with BC, after you posted here, I went and experimented, and yes, it seems the taunt is broken on this skill as well.

-Erick

ARCHIVED-CherobylJoe · Jan 31, 2005

I'm curious if any of these are to be addressed in the upcoming "big patch 2". As devs sad they will read this it might be nice to get a head up from them?

ARCHIVED-ZOAR007 · Jan 31, 2005

Woot! Fury Master 1 is now showing up under maintained spells! I only mention this as it seems to be the oly thing they have fixed so far.

ARCHIVED-Trumluk · Feb 2, 2005

From what I have seen it looks like Raging Strike has been addressed. WIN

Countdown times on our DOTs still stop at 3.0 seconds for me.

ARCHIVED-ZOAR007 · Feb 2, 2005

updated. Doesn't look like the adept 3 version of bloodlust was adressed yet either. still doesnt show under maintained spells

ARCHIVED-freakboy9 · Feb 2, 2005

Yeah, my bloodlust doesn't show up 'on the left'.

Also, Fury still makes you wait the full recast timer when it fails.

ARCHIVED-ZOAR007 · Feb 2, 2005

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