Be honest, where are you on the parsings?

Discussion in 'Ranger' started by ARCHIVED-LoreLady, Jul 28, 2006.

  1. ARCHIVED-nat_lyte Guest

    just a thought, would it be imbalancing to give rangers double atk like that of the swashy/brigand/zerker/guardian for there bow? they are the masters of the bow are they not, its not inconcievable to give them an ability similar to that of other available for there style?
  2. ARCHIVED-MystaSkratch Guest

    Wishful thinking anyway :smileytongue:
    I'm pretty sure they're changing double attack so it won't work on ranged weapons sometime in the near future.
  3. ARCHIVED-Spite Guest

    Besides Double Attack is pretty overpowered now. Add that to the long delay and big damage of bows and a small number could equal way to much of a swing.
  4. ARCHIVED-Akient Guest

    Lockeye -
    I'm just wondering with 30 pages of feedback basically saying you're wrong if you're willing to make some changes? I think it's very apparent that rangers have no truely usefull utilites over any other class and have only middle of the line DPS on average.
    Even giving Lockeye's arguement the benefit of the doubt, saying Rangers can parse up there with some of the best, what else do they bring to the raid that another class can't bring along with even more benefit.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but; wasn't the idea of this game to make each class equally beneficial to a raid or group? Shouldn't each class have something unique and valuable they can bring along to a raid or a group?
    I think the majority will agree that right now, rangers are just second hand assassins. Everything we do, an assassin can do twice as good. Hate transfer, deaggro, damage... hell, assassins can compare to rangers by just using their bow as well, I've seen it.
    What gives man? Any plans at all to make some changes?
  5. ARCHIVED-Akient Guest

    I'll also add my opinion on what I believe would possibly fix rangers;
    First off the problem with the DPS seems to specifically be in the end game: Why not lessen the casting times on some fo the CA's and make ranger only bow crits hit for about 30% more damage than an assassins.
    The second thing is, give us a good utility that no one else already has, one idea would be; How about a damage shield that increases HP/Mit as well? Something that can be cast on anyone in your raid.
    Message Edited by Akient on 09-21-2006 08:31 AM
  6. ARCHIVED-Gareorn Guest

    For the love of everything holy, please let this thread die. I really don't mean to be rude, but of all the threads to necro...

    I know your intentions are honorable. But please, we need a break from all the DPS/utility debates.
  7. ARCHIVED-Raahl Guest

    I agree! Resurrecting a thread that is over a month since the last post just to start the arguement back up is silly.
    Perhaps we can get this one locked. :D
  8. ARCHIVED-Jay42 Guest

    It probably will be, since it was necro'd.
  9. ARCHIVED-Akient Guest

    I put some of my ideas and feelings, dont like it, just skip over it. We're all entitled to read what we want - obviously you had the urge to click this thread and come read it again, no one forced you. I think it's stupid for someone to complain about a thread that get's bumped up because someone makes a comment on it. Make it sound like the text of the subject took up your whole screen and you had no choice but to click on it.
    Sure, this is an old topic - has anything been done out it yet? No... so I will continue to talk about it. If this thread get's locked, I'll make a new one with any new idea's I have. I refuse to give up, you're just gonna have to deal with it.
  10. ARCHIVED-Jay42 Guest

    ROFL
  11. ARCHIVED-LoreLady Guest

    Akient - its not what your saying people are disagreeing with.. Its how your saying it.. Everyone (cept for a select few) agree that rangers need large boosts in our CA cast times (or CA dps) to be onpar with assassins.. However, name calling and going out on the deepend saying rangers are useless is.. Not true
    I say not true because I secretly dont know how to spel fasel, err.. fales, err afels.. I know im forgetting soemthing.
  12. ARCHIVED-Akient Guest

    Useless, useless, useless... how does it feel to be useless?
    Unless there's no assassins around, then you're semi not useless.
  13. ARCHIVED-Jay42 Guest

    Having never been useless, I can't answer this. But perhaps you have some insight into this that you'd like to share with the rest of the class?
  14. ARCHIVED-Akient Guest

    Are you raising your hand with a question Jay or just bumping this wonderfull thread of evidence? Perhaps if you have something to ask, you can be more specific. Or if your generality was a suggestion to ask why I say why rangers are useless, well, I have and you've read it. I know you have because you always post after me and challange me in some way.
    Better yet Jay - please tell the class what you're able to bring to a raid that another class can't already do, or even do better than you. Your turn to be on the spot.
    Message Edited by Akient on 09-22-2006 02:41 PM
  15. ARCHIVED-Jay42 Guest

    Well, you obviously feel you're useless, and that's gotta kinda suck a little. I don't feel useless, myself - though I agree that there are a few areas we could use a boost. Rangers can and do achieve high DPS numbers in a variety of settings, even on raids, but IMO it's a grueling uphill battle to do so. I agree that it can be very frustrating, and it does bother me that other classes can bring more DPS *and* more utility to a raid without needing the best gear, the best upgrades, and the best skills to do so.
    But many of us have been fighting for the cause for a good long time. Those of us that are still around aren't giving up, we're just not going about it in the same way you've chosen to. I agree with several of your points; I don't agree with your methods, or your habit of attacking other rangers who don't agree with you.
    I'm actually not a very good ranger in the game, and even here on the forums, I don't put forth the facts and figures as some very qualified rangers can. But don't doubt my devotion to this class for a second.
    Good luck, and have fun.
  16. ARCHIVED-Tarryn Guest

    In all fairness, he never said "useless." He said essentially that there are no ways in which we are more useful than any other given class on a raid.
    In general, that's true. There are no ways we particularly stand out, no areas in which our usefulness exceeds any other class on any given role.
    We're probably not the only class in that position, but it still hurts to go from "premier DPS and nothing else" to "good DPS and nothing else." We, and the other few classes likely in a similar position, need some re-examination.
    Message Edited by Tarryn on 09-22-2006 07:06 PM
  17. ARCHIVED-LoreLady Guest

    Yea, we arent the only class in a bad spot.. Warlocks have it pretty bad - and shadowknights also have it pretty bad atm.. Hell, I have a feeling on the new expansion bards arent going to be so hot (havent checked out the new beta, just my own predictions).
  18. ARCHIVED-Serventof Wrath Guest

    For the love of TUNARE I thought this thread had died!!!!!!!!!
    1.) We are not useless (you maybe...... I'm not therefore you can not say "we" )
    2.) I do raid
    3.) I am the only ranger in my guild that raids. We have others they choose not to raid the choice is thier's they are not asked to sit out
    4.) While my guild is not the most uber of the uber we are raiding DT and we got access on our own!!!
    5.) I have had the raid leader change targets to easier targets when they thought I was not gonna be there.
    6.) I work my butt off for every bit of my dps and my guild has never questioned my effort or asked me to sit out for another dps class. In fact I have volunteered my spot for an extra healer/brig/bard/chanter and have been told flat out NO, that if I wasn't going there would be no point in even trying.
    7.) No we are not on par where we should be as T1 DPS. We need some tweaking in casting/recast timers. We need the group buffs/procs that only work on a successful melee attack changed to work on any successful attack to include ranged. We need to see either more long bows with actual DR equal to 2h weapons or we need to see the current ones in game get a boost to their DR. We need to have more then just 2 means to get level 70 ammo since it greatly affects our auto attack damage.
    8.) We DON'T need to keep revisiting this tired thread and we DON'T need RANGERS attacking RANGERS in these forums. There are ways to debate topics in a civilized manner unfortunately we haven't seen it in this thread lately.
  19. ARCHIVED-Akient Guest

    For the love of TUNARE I thought this thread had died!!!!!!!!!
    We're out of game now, you can /turn off roleplaying for a minute and take down your Legolas poster.
    1.) We are not useless (you maybe...... I'm not therefore you can not say "we" )
    Me maybe? If what you've said is all you have to come with in defense of the rangers usefullness as a class - god man, go play your SK. You're a much more useless ranger than I'll ever be.
    2.) I do raid
    We're not talking about Runny Eye pickup groups.
    3.) I am the only ranger in my guild that raids. We have others they choose not to raid the choice is thier's they are not asked to sit out
    I think the point of this thread few by you at mock 2.
    4.) While my guild is not the most uber of the uber we are raiding DT and we got access on our own!!!
    As opposed to the DT fairy putting the access under your pillow while you sleep?
    5.) I have had the raid leader change targets to easier targets when they thought I was not gonna be there.
    rofl?
    6.) I work my butt off for every bit of my dps and my guild has never questioned my effort or asked me to sit out for another dps class. In fact I have volunteered my spot for an extra healer/brig/bard/chanter and have been told flat out NO, that if I wasn't going there would be no point in even trying.
    you must have good ventrillo jokes.
    7.) No we are not on par where we should be as T1 DPS. We need some tweaking in casting/recast timers. We need the group buffs/procs that only work on a successful melee attack changed to work on any successful attack to include ranged. We need to see either more long bows with actual DR equal to 2h weapons or we need to see the current ones in game get a boost to their DR. We need to have more then just 2 means to get level 70 ammo since it greatly affects our auto attack damage.
    Awesome, you said something on topic.
    8.) We DON'T need to keep revisiting this tired thread and we DON'T need RANGERS attacking RANGERS in these forums. There are ways to debate topics in a civilized manner unfortunately we haven't seen it in this thread lately.
    Can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. I never claimed I was Mr.Likable and I really don't give a rats [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] if you like how I'm saying something, what I have to say, or how I say it, cause I will say it anyway and won't give a hoot what you think about it, ever...
  20. ARCHIVED-Prandtl Guest

    You sure got that part right! Attacking someones well thought out post with personal jibes, trite phrases and sub-moronic rhetoric is no way to get your point across. I am assuming that you actually have one, but I have been wrong before

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