51-60 Spell Screenshots including new 50 spells

Discussion in 'Warlock' started by ARCHIVED-Kalel22, Aug 21, 2005.

  1. ARCHIVED-Kalel22 Guest

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    Now with these new spells Im kinda worried about our DPS as compared with Wizards. With Wizards they get a new spell at 50 that does around 3k dmg on a 1 min timer with the ability to proc a small DoT and 300 ish dmg per cast on the mob. They get IC that can do 5k to a single target every 45 secs. Devast has the potential to do only about 3500 with my self buffed Int.They also gained the Icy wind change, which is essentionally is a devastation. It ticks for only a 150 or so less and its a 16 sec recast!! Now this supposed to the wizard answer to Nil Absolution it but it out dmg's Nil absolution soundly. Sure Nil Abs is on a slightly lower recast but its getting its dmg owned by Icy wind. With the addition of the new wiz 50 single target nuke that will out them ahead of us in DPS. We have nothing that counters that. We get an AC debuff and a nice new DoT and they get a 3k dmg single target nuke? I guess we will have to see how this plays out with ad3's but as it stands now the wizard will soundly outdmg a warlock on single targets.

    BUG - Soul blister is obviously broken. Its needs to be up'ed alot in dmg. Ap1 Soul Flay (its lower lvl counter part) almost equals the dmg of Master 1 Soul blister. I realize that soul blister is on a 2 sec recast but this doesnt make up for the dmg difference. Please fix this.

    BUG - Dark Infestation's dmg isnt affected by INT in any way. Please look into this and fix

    BUG - The 2 Netheros pets is a bug. They are on the same recast and do the same thing.

    BUG - Maelstrom Line of spells is broken - When it procs "cough" it drops the actual debuff and it casts cough which last 15 secs. So essentially when you cast the debuff it only lasts as long as when cough procs (which is almost immediately), when it should last 1 min 4 secs. Cough is only supposed to add utility to the spell for spreading to other encounter members. Not cancel it altogether.


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  2. ARCHIVED-Magiocracy Guest

    Thank you for posting these, I agree that it doesn't look great for our dps at all - the new Wizard 50 spell combined with IC should put them a good bit ahead on single targets. The AoE teleport is an interesting idea, but I'd take and extra damage spell anyday instead.

    One quick question if I may - what kind of damage does the upgraded Netheros pet do ?
    Message Edited by Magiocracy on 08-21-2005 05:16 PM
  3. ARCHIVED-Kalel22 Guest

    (1124641682)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:02 2005] netheros lord hits a Kromise lookout for 147 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641683)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:03 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord, but netheros lord blocks.
    (1124641684)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:04 2005] netheros lord hits a Kromise lookout for 122 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641685)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:05 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord, but netheros lord parries.
    (1124641685)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:05 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord with Quick Strike, but netheros lord blocks.
    (1124641685)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:05 2005] netheros lord hits a Kromise lookout for 176 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641686)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:06 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord with Black Jack, but netheros lord blocks.
    (1124641687)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:07 2005] netheros lord hits a Kromise lookout for 174 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641687)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:07 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord, but misses.
    (1124641689)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:09 2005] netheros lord hits a Kromise lookout for 237 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641689)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:09 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord with Shank, but netheros lord parries.
    (1124641690)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:10 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord with Low Blow, but netheros lord parries.
    (1124641690)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:10 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord, but netheros lord blocks.
    (1124641691)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:11 2005] netheros lord hits a Kromise lookout for 97 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641692)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:12 2005] netheros lord hits a Kromise lookout for 242 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641693)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:13 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord, but netheros lord parries.
    (1124641694)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:14 2005] netheros lord hits a Kromise lookout for 158 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641695)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:15 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord, but netheros lord blocks.
    (1124641696)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:16 2005] netheros lord hits a Kromise lookout for 218 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641697)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:17 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord with Quick Strike, but netheros lord blocks.
    (1124641697)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:17 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord, but netheros lord blocks.
    (1124641698)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:18 2005] netheros lord hits a Kromise lookout for 259 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641699)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:19 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord, but netheros lord blocks.
    (1124641699)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:19 2005] netheros lord hits a Kromise lookout for 209 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641701)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:21 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord, but netheros lord ripostes.
    (1124641701)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:21 2005] netheros lord hits a Kromise lookout for 133 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641701)[Sun Aug 21 11:28:21 2005] netheros lord hits a Kromise lookout for 115 points of crushing damage.

    Total dmg - 2287.

    Thats the Master 1 Shadowed Netheros. Its lvl 59 and it was fighting a 46 Solo giant. for the full dur of the pet. The pet didnt kill the mob. I had to finish him.

    And here is the Adept 3 version of the lower lvl Netheros against the same mob.

    (1124641863)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:03 2005] netheros lord tries to crush a Kromise lookout, but a Kromise lookout ripostes.
    (1124641863)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:03 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord, but netheros lord blocks.
    (1124641864)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:04 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush YOU, but misses.
    (1124641865)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:05 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush YOU, but misses.
    (1124641865)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:05 2005] netheros lord hits a Kromise lookout for 132 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641866)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:06 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord with Low Blow, but netheros lord blocks.
    (1124641867)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:07 2005] a Kromise lookout's Gouge hits netheros lord for 92 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641867)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:07 2005] netheros lord tries to crush a Kromise lookout, but misses.
    (1124641868)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:08 2005] a Kromise lookout hits netheros lord for 41 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641868)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:08 2005] netheros lord tries to crush a Kromise lookout, but misses.
    (1124641869)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:09 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord with Shank, but misses.
    (1124641870)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:10 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord, but netheros lord parries.
    (1124641870)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:10 2005] netheros lord tries to crush a Kromise lookout, but misses.
    (1124641872)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:12 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord, but misses.
    (1124641872)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:12 2005] netheros lord hits a Kromise lookout for 94 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641874)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:14 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord, but netheros lord blocks.
    (1124641874)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:14 2005] netheros lord hits a Kromise lookout for 74 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641875)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:15 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord, but misses.
    (1124641876)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:16 2005] netheros lord tries to crush a Kromise lookout, but a Kromise lookout ripostes.
    (1124641876)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:16 2005] a Kromise lookout hits netheros lord for 44 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641877)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:17 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord, but netheros lord blocks.
    (1124641877)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:17 2005] netheros lord hits a Kromise lookout for 97 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641879)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:19 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord, but misses.
    (1124641879)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:19 2005] netheros lord hits a Kromise lookout for 54 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641881)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:21 2005] a Kromise lookout tries to crush netheros lord, but netheros lord blocks.
    (1124641881)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:21 2005] netheros lord hits a Kromise lookout for 102 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641882)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:22 2005] a Kromise lookout hits netheros lord for 58 points of crushing damage.
    (1124641883)[Sun Aug 21 11:31:23 2005] netheros lord hits a Kromise lookout for 73 points of crushing damage.

    Total Dmg - 626 over 20 secs.

    As you can see the new Netheros is a significant upgrade. Now whether it can hit raid mobs is yet to be seen. But alot of raid mobs aren't immune to crush so thats a good thing.
    Message Edited by Kalel22 on 08-21-2005 09:38 AM
  4. ARCHIVED-tiki-jiki Guest

    I am curious how long it takes to get to level 60 compared with going from 40-50.
  5. ARCHIVED-Nergall Guest

    Talk about BS!!!

    We got SHAFTED!!! These spells suck!

    Great we got lots of lame pets....and the new versions of nerfed spells....

    This is pure BS!


    BTW

    how you got 60 and so many masters so quickly? SOE going easy on beta players so they can check more things? Or is the xp and drop rate that good there?

    I mean you got as many masters as adept3...maybe more lol...wierd :)
  6. ARCHIVED-Nergall Guest

    I just noticed...no finaly spell...like dev was the finaly of 1-50..so 50-60 is just a regular tier? what a rip off.

    and as usual...we get broken spells....the 1sec dot...lame dmg...almost the same as the lower lvl one he shares timer with and the soul flay update.....ohh well...we are warlocks...we shuold get used to having broken spells by now.
  7. ARCHIVED-Magiocracy Guest

    Well if the goal of SOE was to in the end to balance out Wizard and Warlock DPS then based on this information they've failed utterly - once again they appear to have overreacted (probably due to the amount of Wizardly whining) and instead of balance we end up with one of the pure dps classes still comprehensively outdamaging the other - they've just swapped them round.

    Oh and does anyone else find it funny that after they finally fixed Soul Flay they go and create a new upgrade to it thats broken in exactly the same way as the old one. Way to go SOE.
    Message Edited by Magiocracy on 08-21-2005 06:00 PM
  8. ARCHIVED-Splatterpunk28 Guest

    Guys don't freak out about these spells, there's no way this is our complete line from 50-60.
    Our theoretical dps just using spells from 40-50 that are already in test is about triple what it would be with these, probably more.
  9. ARCHIVED-Nergall Guest

    Well check the screenshots he is 60...and he posted quite alot of spells.
    We got screwed.

    Lame pets again,broken nuke and dot,no dev upgrade,no nil abso upgrade,no nebula upgrade...on the other hand...wizy got 2 5k nukes at lvl 50.....pure balance...../roll eyes

    SOE translation to balance is taking the current DPS chart....rocking it from side to side...kick it a few times...and leave it be after the mess is done.

    We will get out dps by wizy/assasin/bards/roughs/summoners....from number 1 to be next to figher dps...woot :(

    Now I die in two hits and need 2 hours to kill....this piss me off really bad!

    They just spit on our time and money that we invested.

    But all wil turn for the good.I didnt want to start DDO/vanguard cause i put so much effort into eq2....now i got a good motivation to get the hell out of here.
  10. ARCHIVED-Kalel22 Guest

    We need constructive feedback here not a cry fest. Please post constructively. Thanks.
  11. ARCHIVED-Vanrael Guest

    I'm usually one to look to the positive side of things, but yeah, I gotta admit this looks pretty lame. *sigh*

    I know these probably won't be the final numbers on these spells (crosses fingers) but man do I hope that this turns out well.


    On another thought, I don't know about you guys, but I was really hoping for some more variety here, not just upgrades to what we have with the names (very uncreatively) altered ("Soul Blister" sounds really wimpy compared to "Soul Flay").

    Also can't help but notice that we have a lot of different pets now. Can they all be stacked? With Greater/Shadowed Netheros and Dark Infestation, isn't that like 5 pets on the same mob at once?

    I dunno, I guess I'm not too psyched with what I'm seeing at this point. Let's hope some new stuff comes rolling down the pipe before release and hope for the best.
    Message Edited by Vanrael on 08-21-2005 10:43 AM
  12. ARCHIVED-Kalel22 Guest

    Forgot to post that the 2 Neth pets are on teh same recast and hence one isnt supposed to be there. Im sure this will be fixed.
  13. ARCHIVED-Daerv Guest

    Those new level 50 spells are just things you automatically get just for being 50? Sounds a bit strange to me, considering they're brand new and nothing like previous spells. It would make more sense for them to be quest rewards or the level 60 "super spell" like Devastation is for 50. The entire rest of the 51-60 range looks like a total yawn fest. They're upgrades to spells we already have just for the sake of it or to justify putting level caps on older spells. Where exactly is the incentive to grind to 60 if the only new spells we get are automatically given to us just for buying the expansion?

    I thought Netheros did poison damage not crushing. Is this something that has been changed on our original pet too?

    When I first saw that Wizard spell I thought it may be on the same timer as Ice Comet in order to help balance out their raid resist issue. Guess not.

    Can't say I'm particularly enthralled with what I'm seeing.
  14. ARCHIVED-xschakalx Guest

    thx for the screens.

    but what the hell... is there any balance between warlock and wizard?

    they got the big sigle nukes. not only one, a lot!!
    our sigle nukes will be nerft. COOL!!
    1,4k against 2x 5k nukes. wow soe.

    but okay, we have our AEs. devastation rules. but, thats unfair for wizards. they should have AEs too. so give them an upgrade to icey wind. 16s recast and damage like devastation, thats cool SOE. thx a lot!

    if that goes live i will cancel
  15. ARCHIVED-Kalel22 Guest

    Possible bug here with Dark Infestation - I know it says can summon up to 3 of the Dark broodlings, but it is never summoning 3. Out of me testing it 10 times I never got 3 broodlings. I got 2 of them 8 times and 1 of them 2 times. If it summons only 1 of them it defeats the actual dmg of the main tick before proc.

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  16. ARCHIVED-Vanrael Guest

    Ouch, are the broodling pets just tiny black spots like that? That's sort of weak...
  17. ARCHIVED-Kalel22 Guest

    Yes. You remember what Netheros looked like at ap1? What did you expect some huge Spectre at ap1? Please post constructive or devs wont even look at this.
  18. ARCHIVED-The Banff Guest

    Ya i agree teh spell arnt all teh fantastic... except Soul of Ebon Thought ,its a beast, at app 1 it make u hit like u r 1.6 lvls higher, imagine teh upgrades prblably get up to 2-4 lvls higher thats awsome
  19. ARCHIVED-Magiocracy Guest

    Another question then Kalabus - subjectively how did you find your damage output while playing 50-60 ? Did you fell stronger or weaker than pre-50?

    Thanks,
  20. ARCHIVED-V4nce Guest

    Wow, I used to like this game.

    This CAN'T be right. Level 58-60 spells that do 200 damage? There is some huge corrections to be made or this is some kind of sick joke.
    Message Edited by V4nce on 08-21-2005 03:44 PM

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