Why is AFK pvling service in zones using ae spells is no classified as unattended play game?

Discussion in 'Time Locked Progression Servers' started by david negron, Jan 19, 2020.

  1. david negron Lorekeeper

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  3. birisu Elder

    I do not understand why people think changing their font size makes their post any less inane
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  4. Bobbybick Only Banned Twice

    Why is your entire post a link? How could you even accidentally do that?
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  5. Labzeh Lorekeeper

    It's a simple concept to understand the difference but it seems you just don't like that AFK Pling happens (which is perfectly fair to not like it however it's just two different arguments and does not infringe on "unattended gameplay policy").

    Group members gaining afk EXP while sitting in a corner not moving and just leaching exp while others kill and is not the same as "unattended gameplay".

    Taken from the policy itself, unattended gameplay is YOUR character (mercs/pets) being automated or performing actions while YOUR not controlling them or while YOUR afk. This is individual and does not relate to what your group mates do during the period of people afking.
    "If a character, including any pets or mercs, is found performing actions while the user is away disciplinary action will be taken against the account."
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  6. Kuaamil Elder

    Because!!! :p
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  7. david negron Lorekeeper

    And what is the different of getting a program or using player's pet or whatever to make experience while players are afk than paying other players to make experience for players while players afk? aren't both unattended playing scenario?
  8. Isomodia New Member

    The difference is XP generated by A PLAYERS action as opposed to AN AUTOMATED PROGRAMS action.

    Regardless of your stance, those two things are significantly different. Players generating XP is okay. Bots/Scripts generating XP is a no go. Pretty cut-and-dry, to be honest.
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  9. HoodenShuklak Augur

    I dont know, the whole part about a human doing the gameplay vs a script seems like an essential difference.
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  10. That0neguy Augur

    I was pretty sure AFK soaking exp in a group was considered against the rules.
  11. david negron Lorekeeper

    I am talking than both players ,whatever using a program or using another player to do the job, Both players are unattending game while experience. Both player can be sleeping while their player character are gaining experience.
    Definition of unattended
    not attended: not watched or looked after : lacking a guard, escort, caretaker, etc.
  12. HoodenShuklak Augur

    We can only take for granted that standing still and being afk is OK as long as your pet ir merc is not killing for you.

    So whether you're in the nexus or in the deep, if you're afk then it's ok! If someone in your group is fighting, that's irrelevant. For all you know the player isn't even grouped.

    Thought experiment, afking in groups is bannable. Now you take a toon and go stand him next to some bro you dislike while they exp. Fraps that "group" afk playing and they all eat a ban.

    Sorry, krono rmt might be scum but cracking down on players going afk is not the answer.
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  13. Yinla Ye Ol' Dragon

    That would screw me, I put AFK up when I'm being anti social and do not want to be disturbed.

    The other thing to consider if they stopped players from getting exp while AFK and others in the group are killing, then they should stop task updates while players are in guild lobby/PoK, hunter achievements, buffs, tradeskills, the list goes on.
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  14. david negron Lorekeeper

    I am referring to players that explicitly hire other players with the intention of going AFK unattended play game while gaining experience.
  15. squidgod Augur

    Only rule the AE groups break is the one about zone disruption, and if DBG doesn't care about the bot armies downing raid mobs to sell LR, they sure as hell don't care if a couple zones are no-go for regular groups.
  16. Nolrog Augur


    "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo.
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  17. Duality Augur

    I can't see them stopping anything that causes a steady flow of something they make money from. Especially since that is the whole idea behind these TLPs in the first place. Generally the people that use these services wouldn't have time to level themselves and some of them would end up unsubscribing.

    Besides.. When was the last time you've seen a group forming for NW deep, or even a crawl?
  18. DeseanJackson Augur

    The definition you linked has your answer. The power leveling players are watching after, looking after, guarding and/or are the caretakers of the AFK EXP leacher and, as such, are not “unattended.”
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  19. Skuz I am become Wrath, the Destroyer of Worlds.

    End of the day you have to consider what a "player economy" can consist of.

    Selling unwanted loot on the bazaar - tradeskill items, gear, quest items, collectibles etc.
    Selling loot rights in general chat
    Selling keying/flagging
    Selling help to complete difficult or time-consuming quests
    Selling XP

    All are acceptable ways to earn currency from other players which not everyone will agree with & definitely not all will like but they all form a part of what makes a game like EverQuest communal along with questing, grouping, raiding & crafting.

    So long as no exploitation of the game or its systems is taking place & no out of game automation method is being used to create mob loot, money or experience & those things are generated by active play then what you like or don't like doesn't require developer changes, it requires you accepting that not everything in a game this old which has had this many players is going to match your feelings on what is acceptable.

    TL;DR your post is just an "I don't like it" with no further merit.
  20. Labzeh Lorekeeper


    Again the difference is clear. In my quote of the policy itself it says "Characters performing actions whilst unattended". Gaining EXP is passive, it is not an action a player can perform.

    I'm also not against your argument for wanting AFK EXPing to be regulated or removed - I actually don't care either way. It's just quite clear that it does not violate this policy.