Why are rogues trash?

My main raiding character was a Rogue. Have all AAs, have all the best end raid weapons available for rogues, have highest level of Ferocity and Cleave available, using strongest poisons available. My alt monks with half as many AAs, only lower rank of cleave, and no worn ferocity at all, and less than BIS offhand weapon regularly out damages the rogue.

The monk has better utility (can FD every 3 seconds, rogue can escape every 15 minutes), self healing (mend and purify body can remove anything, rogue can only self cure poison counters), better tanking (even though rogue can wear chain and monk is leather, the monk can still tank better), and better DPS.

Why can monks do everything and are better at everything? Rogue only exists for the rare raid that requires pick pocket like Folly of Miragul's Ambition and Ikkinz 4 Antechamber of Destruction. Even raids that need disarm traps or pick lock can just be handled by a Bard instead.

What is the point of a rogue? Other classes can do as much (ranger) or better (monk + berserker) DPS and bring better utility than rogues.

Either your rogue isnt as good as you say, you aren't as good as you think playing it, or this is some TLP low lvl rogue comparison, would just be a guess. If your talking current lvl practice with the rogue more, alot more.

No, the problem is that you are underestimating what other classes can do.

Of course. Who cares about live servers?

Monk is my main. I box on our raids when we need it and while I prefer to box my bard my next go to is my rogue. The rogue out DPS's me almost all the time. We are in the same raid group with the same ADPS. I always click all the monks burns and stuff first, then the rogue. I also pay way more attention to the monk since she is my main to make sure everything is clicked when it should be. My monk is great DPS and Im always in the top 10 on parse. I know how to play both characters. The rogue almost always has a burn available. I love the survivability of the monk and it is my favorite character. I just get frustrated when Im out DPS'ing myself with my alt.... So Im not sure what is going on with yours but in the past I have tested stuff on a combat dummy and I was the dummy when I turned off autoskill and forgot to turn it back on after. Maybe you have auto backstab off? Something to check.

TLP there is your answer, I have no clue how low lvl rogues do in comparison to other classes. But at real levels if your still running into that, practice your rogue more.

Who cares about TLP servers can be the other side of the coin. But hey, if you want a civil conversation lay out all of the details of your character and leave out the snarky BS.

This should have been posted with the other TLP garbage.
Conq

if you want to play an underwhelming feeling class play a monk on live, beastlords dicho is a better version of the monks "second best" disc, affects the whole group, and is usable every minute. Not to mention the numerous other group AA's other classes get that are better than most monk discs with faster reuses. Zerkers version of destructive force is usable like every few minutes. Monks can earthforce, mend, and strip negative effects off themselves, i guess the synergy is good, but melee isn't that great so oh well. The really isn't a reason to have monks on raids, rogues can assassinate, which is a gimmick, but still allows for some use in niche situations in raids.

Destructive Force is 15 minutes reuse
Furious Rampage is 20 minutes

rog Rake's Rampage is 10 minutes, that's a bit faster?

Likely meant Rampage AA on 3 minute timer but they are different.

At the very least, they should put "Tlp (class)" in the title.

i mean you cant expect him to be spesific when his busy complaining

They just group reliant.
Also good to have in groups, early game you have these chests and locked doors.

Defeats the purpose when everyone knows all the secrets and what not that all sudden classes become bad because their knowledge of the game more than what the developers would assume people would know when playing that content.

Also,
during that time, EQ was a game you'd roleplay too. Rogues are good roleplaying class. The vibe wasn't everything is fair everyone wins, raids toned down so everyone wins, and instances so everyone wins.
EQ wasn't designed for everyone wins back then. Rogues would be the bad guys, pickpocket, sneaky sneaks.
Ugh. there is a rogue in this zone.

Roleplaying.
Early EQ was about Roleplaying.
Not sweaty sweats know everything sweating hard with knowledge. Nerfing and changing the games vibe into everyone wins. Rogues lose when this happens.

You could train back then. The zones are designed so trains is a thing too. Accidently train to zoneline today, you could get banned. You went over someones camp. Where the zone is designed for one way in one way, too bad, you getting trained, I'm gonna go look for the secret path just to avoid training, I'm about to die, too bad. You could do much vanilla things back then, that today, that's bad.
Scouting the area? Don't do this when you know everything.
Getting revenge on people. Doing rogue like things.

Why they put pick pocket in the game? It's a evil roleplaying class.
Game changed times changed, rogues lose when the early game was around that kind of vision and they change up the vision take away your things and give nothing in return.

Real players. People who actually have their original main from 23 years ago, instead of only having alts on a TLP full of botters and paypigs that is already dying as soon as it opens. Are you the type of person who never finishes a single player game but just keeps re-rolling?
Anyway, TLPs are a joke. A big angry rat race with no winner, that will be thrown away for you to start again. And again.

Knifen is correct. I own a top endgame raid monk and I do well, but a top rogue like Guta almost always out DPS me.

TLPs don't have class balance.
Live doesn't have class balance.

The only benefit of playing a rogue on TLP is that you have less gear competition because a pack of naked monks out DPS you by an order of magnitude.

Welcome to EverQuest

I think this is common knowledge by now:
ADPS matters. Don't compare yourself to ANY class in a better ADPS group than you or you will slump into a deep depression.
You can't just randomly mash every button you have and expect to maximize your DPS. Many abilities have a synchronicity that you need to pay attention to so you don't waste your DPS.

OMG i wish i can give two thumbs up!

Your not gonna get changes to TLP. Thats designed content.
Come to live. Next expac weapons are fixing the melee/caster gap.
Supposedly the T1 group weapons will be better than current BIS raid weapons.