Who does True box actually hurt?

Thinking that you're the "average player" is kind of the illusion of these servers lo these many years.

A lot of this action is foster home scams and really nasty krono-for-crack abusive marriages.

At least my group home is, and has been, legit. Monthly payouts, open officer elections. "You get what you give" is how we make it happen every day.

true box was brought in to curtail the amount of 64+ boxers we saw on Magefire (ragefire).
It was never designed or meant to help curtail 2, 3, 4 or even 6 boxers

No one boxed from a single machine. If you didn't actually play at that time, then don't comment. The first 2 or so years of this game the client could physically not be windowed until someone created a program (eqwindows) to allow it, and it would get you banned as they would check for it occasionally. It was only after an issue with microsoft forcing them to allow windowing that it became possible on a single pc, "legally", and only then that eqwindows became a grey zone that they looked the other way on.

I could be wrong, but most people on TLPs are veteran players. They know what they want and how they are going to do it. For instance, I will roll a bst, brd, and mage when available because it allows me to do almost anything but the missions by just alt tabbing and hitting some hotkeys. This really only becomes a problem for leveling in ToV, but it didn't stop me from falling in with some good people to get things done or just have fun beforehand.

The guilds make the difference here and how they approach things like progression and helping members. RMTers are going to RMT, regular players are going play regular. True Box has outlived it usefulness at this stage of the game without better enforcement which I personally would not waste money on.

When we weren't playing EQ in 2000 we were LAN'n Diablo, Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit, Half-Life, Starcraft, etc. There was always 2 or 3 PCs relatively near each other enough that when Dave went to work, you loaded up Dave's druid to heal your rogue alt in front of Karnors while you single pulled.

It wasn't high tech by any means, but it was always an option when you werent the only computer in the house.

Of course some people boxed on different PCs, but the post I'm responded to was claiming to have done so on one pc when the game began.

False. People would migrate away faster without boxers. You better start thanking every boxer you see on a TLP paying a sub or krono on each of his accounts to your one so that we can all continue to play this game.

Truebox is nice when theres a large population, but even then most guys I played with ran 2-3 toons because there is nothing worse than being in a grp, healer or tank leaves and you can't find a replacement. It only hurts people who try to box "ethically" I suppose, the guys running around with afk mage armies will never be hindered by truebox.

Boxing is a community driven solution to a problem that the devs have never attempted to fix. EQ isn't a solo game, it has time consuming, grindy content that people desire and want to achieve in a relatively acceptable timeframe to them. This gets blown up on TLPs where you have 20-25% of the time to complete objectives compared to when expansions were live. Most of us have gotten older and don't have all the time in the world to play. I can say without a doubt if I didn't have the option to box 2-3 toons, I wouldn't pay a sub.

There are players on mischief that hate boxers with a passion, yet you never see general chat filled with people looking to fill out groups. You never see 2-4 people lfg within the same hourly time period. There is never more than 1-2 people using the lfg tool. You never see pugs that last long because people join, burn lesson then take off, or a guildie needs them and it take priority.

That being said, I've never had an issue finding guildies or people I know do do a group or run missions. You do have think outside the box though. Post on discord and join voice channels. I've gotten a few PUGs where we just joined a discord channel and started going. it was a lot of fun.

Boxing does more harm than good. There would be more human beings, more grouping, and greater satisfaction if boxing was heavily restricted. Boxers aren't saviors; they are destroyers.

Like I said, boxing is a community driven solution to a problem. take away boxing, dont fix the problems and what are you left with? Where are these people that would play with no boxing coming from? For every 2-6 paying accounts lost, is there an equal to greater gain? If I play a beastlord and lose my cleric/shaman box and the group needs a healer, will there be one accesible?

The question that needs to be asked is why do people box? Everyone started with one and something drove them towards the decision to add a second, third and so forth and even so far as moving to tools such as ISB and noodlekwest. While it may not be applicable to all boxers, probably 80% of the ones I know play multiple accounts out of a feeling of necessity or desire for efficiency with their time. Especially on TLPs where the unlock schedule adds a sense of urgency to getting stuff done.

If I stop 3 boxing, where am I finding 2 individuals every night to come do what some might consider to be mundane and boring, but I can't do it on my own?

Boxes are very damaging, and the amount of real humans that would trickle back would more than make up for those lost box accounts. The problems that boxing supposedly addresses is made even worse by boxing, a vicious cycle that has been going on for a long time.

A beastlord can heal just fine. Pets can tank, and pets heal fast. You can also sit and regenerate between pulls. You don't need perfect group composition to play the game. That's one of the great things about EQ.

The question of why people box has been answered extensively in this very forum. Mainly it is independence and greed. You only need 1 extra box for independence. After that it's just greed.

And regarding the unlock schedule, it should not be so fast. It leads to a worse community with, yes, more boxes.

There is no reliable metric for a comparison, it'd be the same as someone telling us "We lose boxers, the game loses its money to cater development". The reality is, servers with truebox eventually lose the restriction because it bleeds population. The community answer to that then becomes boxing their own toons. Its abundantly clear a large portion of EQ players do "TLP Season" for whatever amount of reasons, but there is no staying power past OoW. For the sake of staying on topic with the thread, these are players that truebox restrictions hurt.

As for greed being a driving factor to box more than 2 accounts, its all proportional. I would say my experience has been the opposite in that people who play single toons have been the greediest players in terms of time and loot. Some people just like alts and would rather play more toons than use mercs. A player looking to fund 6 accounts with krono isn't any different than a single player trying to fund himself with 1. Krono lording exists but a large portion of multi boxers just don't want to wait on anyone in order to play the game, or they don't want the risk of a PUG stinking up the camp.

I know one 6 boxer who has 3 or 4 children and he plays sporadically on weekends, doing 30-40 minute stints at a time. This guy couldn't play EQ in its current state and keep up or be much use to other players with just one toon. He's not greedy, doesn't care about much of the loot and hes one of the first guys to offer TS materials or help people with stuff if they ask.

I’ve been reading all these comments about people being upset about boxing. I’m going to be 100% real. I started playing EverQuest when I was 12 back in 2005, i loved it. 19 years later I came back to try EverQuest out again thinking it was dead but I gave it a shot back in 2023.i don’t have the time to sit and hope to find a group just to enjoy the game. I’m a truck driver and when I come home and sit down to play, I don’t want to waste the only free time I have looking and hoping to find a group. Been there and done that. I actually quit playing because it was getting tiring that I couldn’t advance the higher I got because I spent my time dying. Now I’m wanting to come back but this time I want to box 4 chr because some of us don’t have a ton of free time to spend days playing. Everyone needs to stop complaining saying boxing is killing the game. Because let’s be honest the real thing that’s killing the game are the rude people that aren’t willing to help or invite u to a group. I would be more than happen to spend a lot of money on 4 account just so I can enjoy the game. Which i would think (daybreak) would love that because they are making money off of 1 person paying 4 accounts. I really been wanting to come back to playing an old game that I use to sit and watch my dad and older brothers play.

A lot of u need to take a step back and realize not everything is about u and your feelings. Everyone has a reason for why they want to box or not to box. But at the end of the day I want to box because I don’t have the free time to sit hours on hours hoping for someone to help me out. Because if that keeps happing I will be more then happen to part ways from EverQuest like I did 19years ago.

You simply cannot possibly be naive enough to believe this can you?

There are hundreds of box accounts out there, who are these people that desperately want to play a 25 year old game and would if only nobody ever played more than 1 account, even though they dont even play on the same server has 90% of them and of the 10% they do, they never interact with 90% of those people, its a massive make or break point?

Seriously, where are these hundreds of people waiting to play everquest?


EDIT - And for people who have a clue, hundreds is being extremely low in the estimation Any group of friends low manning stuff probably can count 10-30boxes amongst themselves(No, your group of friends that played for 2 months once in the last 5 years is not any subset of the population that matters for this discussion at all)

There a many, many hundreds who want to play EQ without boxing. They currently are, in fact.

They just are not willing to pay money each month to do so. Thats the tiny catch,

ps - the brick wall you are arguing with is either the worlds most boring troll or apt to give strangers incredibly big hugs. Maybe even a little of column A and a little of column B.

We were both on Aradune. I think you continue to have blinders on.

They tried to do it once with OOC regen, again with mercs, but fundamentally missed the source of the issue: an npc vs player power disparity that is built into the game's code.

Although the meta issue is management keeping devs too busy cranking out content for that annual $30 to bother going back to fix anything.

I box for the same reason i raid. To make group content easier. Call it greed, call it whatever ya want. I prefer to be self sufficient with the ability to add other players.

Boxing is just fine for the health of the game in my opinion. In a world where media outlets almost conditions us to talk about things that divide us and using our own forum here as a barometer. I would say it's NOT good for the game to have 6 different players hashing it out in group chat all night long.

You were responding to me, and I said I was two boxing from a single machine in 2000.

EQWindows was available in June of 2000.

I was using it late 2000. I was two boxing earlier from two machines.

I was playing when the game began.

Try again?

He was saying there are hundreds of people who are not playing EQ that would if there were no boxing, so anybody who is, as you put it, currently are playing, would not be part of this calculation, so my question stands, where are these hundreds of people that want to play EQ but simply arent until all boxing is removed? Where is the master list?

Every single person on Aradune was in fact, playing EQ and therefore not a single one of them would be part of the 100s of people that are being claimed to want to play EQ but only if there is no boxing.

EDIT - I need to add this edit before you reply with more nonsense, show me this master list of people who are not and have not been playing EQ but 100% for sure would and would subscribe month after month if there was no boxing. You didnt answer the question yet felt the need to reply so this time if you reply, answer it. Who are these 100s of people that simply dont play but definitely would.

The funny thing is that its incredibly easy to show how many subs they would lose by banning boxing. Literally every single box that exists would be gone. There is no possible way there is an equivalent number of people who are refusing to play a 25 year old game that desperately want to without boxing. It is flat out ignorant to believe so.

Show me proof or run along troll.