Who does True box actually hurt?

I'm just curious about who the true box rule is hurting? I play on teek and yes I thought when I originally heard about the true box ruleset, I thought it was going to be a lot less botting etc. I feel that the only people it affected were the ones that were just trying to level and get some experience. I think about this often when I see a train of characters on autofollow just running past me when I'm sitting there on a class that doesn't have a chance to solo lfg for hours on end .... It would be nice if the devs took another look at the ruleset and ask themselves what they are actually trying to prevent vs what they are actually preventing. just a thought.

I think you'd see far less grouping without truebox unfortunately. Folks would just build their own groups.

100%

I play on Mischief as a solo player. Prior to truebox being removed I was still finding groups. Sure they were not near as common, but I could find them at least somewhat decently. Literally the day Truebox ended I have not found a pug since. I have resorted to just paying for a plvl each expansion to get my levels/AAs because it is impossible to find a group anymore, everyone just boxes

playing on teek i decided to pick a class that got groups more efficiently (cleric) and am enjoying it but i do have to admit the minute truebox drops i wont be grouping with randoms at all ... and i think demographically i'm what the average player would do now. the game has aged just like its player base. don't have the time to sit on my chair and wander around in norrath like i did 20 years ago nor do i have the patience to. once truebox drops ill be loading up 2 more accts so i can get what i need done quickly and efficiently and without having to deal with others ... still love the game not a huge fan of the people anymore (much like in RL lol)

thus leading to my point that truebox is simply annoying and it doesn't really do anything. its not stopping the rmt and its only annoying the average player ... truebox should have been done away with years ago.

True box only hurts people on a Low population server like Tormax.


Tormax has 0 incentive to play there without something like 25% xp bonus. It is hardcore very hard core compared to Original EQ in the sense we had groups then too. Just saying coming from a guy who played from Alpha/Beta Tormax was not as thought out as I was hoping at the time.

You guys are blind. There are no groups on TLP. It's all boxers.

There would be more boxes and fewer people on Tormax without truebox. It is helping, not hurting, though I do think it is an awkward rule.

No idea why people believe this.

With True Box removed there would be more boxes....That is a given, there are boxes either way just a few less on a true box.

It does not add people...lol

you have the same number of people either way, non true box you have more characters.

True Box only effects one side of that equation. less characters same number of players.

Boxers are very damaging to community and drive away customers. Any rule that reduces boxing helps keep more humans around.

No it does not....YOU can believe that if you wish but it is far from true.

Boxers do more good to a community than damage.

Reducing boxes does not add more players....PERIOD...it reduces the number of characters in the game

All servers have boxers...ALL of them.

Forcing a boxer to use additional machines slightly reduces the number of people who will box...it does not add players.

For a second there, you made me think there was a mistake in what I said.

This. There are so many boxed groups going on Teek right now it's silly.

No way they are buying 6 PCs to fund boxed krono farming (given that 2 years worth of 6 paid accounts costs less than a single new PC), and if you watch /ooc, /auction and /general on Teek for maybe 5 minutes, you'll see a TON of krono farmers who guaranteed are running boxed crews. Hell, I saw two clear boxed crews in the EC tunnel yesterday. That tight grouping and perfectly simultaneous spell casting that says at least a few box tools and a single PC. You know it when you see it.

Plus, go to any popular PL spot and find the right /pick, and you'll see it clearly enough. I'll give DPG credit there, at least we can try to change /pick to escape the zone disruptions they claim to care about.

Now, that said, I have managed to get groups enough to get a rogue to 29, and they were actual people having actual conversations and all that, so yeah, with the "rule" in place for people not helping DPG sell krono, the true box thing does end up with more people actually grouping, at least in Unrest. =)

They just need to audit the guys who run around with 2 bards, enchanter, war/sk, and 8 clerics.
And then really, really determine if it's actually 12 computers and if he's actually hitting those keys or using 3rd party software to drive 12 toons on 12 different computers.

fewer characters same number of people.

Repeating true box makes some people feel good.

A story. One time a settler ask a Native American what they thought about losing their land.

He replied, "We believe the White Man drove all the buffalo into a cave and if we can get our land back we can release them and have our way of life back."

The settler said "That's a ridiculous belief!"

So the Native American ask him "Is it true you believe your God came down and impregnated a virgin and she gave birth to his son who died for your sins?"

The settler answered "Of course!"

So the Native American said "Then which one of us is more ridiculous?"

In the early days of EQ there were no multiple accounts. You couldn't even <alt>tab out to the desktop. Equipment was underpowered and it was almost forced grouping by circumstances. I recall the game was ~steady state at ~500k players for a while. I can't remember exactly, but something like those 500k players trying to group over a dozen servers made for a lot of people looking for groups. It was the salad days for people that like to group! They never had it so good. They look back fondly on those days when they could find groups and play the game with other people.

I would say when another game came out by a company whose name is something like a snow storm, everything changed. The buffalo were driven into a cave. Their EQ life was forever changed. Now every time their is a new TLP these same people pop up to give dozens of ways to reintroduce forced grouping. Even though their suggestions are oft time ridiculous, they trot out many of the same failed ideas yet again.

Does it really bother me? Not really. I get a laugh out of their idiocracy. There's a Rocky and Bullwinkle thing about them "Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!" that is good for a laugh. Thing is, I can usually find a server to hang out that mostly suits me. They are probably good DB customers. I mean they have this maniacal dedicating to bring back grouping and keep paying their $15/month year after year in the face of defeat.

I've been all over Norrath. I've never seen a cave with buffalo trapped in it. The buffalo aren't coming back.

You can use pawn shops / Amazon to grab something that will play EQ for like 40 bucks. Two and a half hours of work at a fast food joint.

It's sobering how close you folks are to realizing how little it actually takes to be utterly self-reliant in EQ.

One tank of gas is your cleric. Another is your mage. You don't need any software to hit heal on a cheap laptop when your health gets low. You don't need fancy programs to /assist your main character and then tap 1 to nuke and 2 to send the pet in.

You could walk to work the next couple weeks and use those proceeds to become your very own evil empire melee/clr/mage trio. Then you'd never need to pay actual money for everquest ever again.
Believe me, I've grouped with some absolute window-lickers in my lifetime, it's impossible to play an hour or two a day with 3 toons and not grind out a half dozen kronos a month.

You'd have to be really, really, lazy and/or untalented to not accomplish this.

And yet these tlp forums roll on.

People boxed in 1999...very few boxed from a single machine but we were boxing I was single boxing two characters in 2000. my roommate boxed a Ranger and Cleric from day one.

You have greatly overestimated the cost. You can easily have 6 systems that could run EQ perfectly for less than a single annual subscription. Also, this has also been the case for several years. The people doing what you describe have also likely been doing this for well over a decade by now, and they can easily have spread upgrades over that time as well.

It is actually even cheaper than that. You could buy enough systems to run 6 True boxes for less than an annual subscription. People just overpay because they go to Amazon or Walmart rather than eBay or the like.

To be fair, this is a trueboxing thread. i.e. one account per computer. But yeah, two computers running single instances of EQ is boxing.

It hurts to read these same threads being posted over and over and over again.