Who all thinks a Bard and a shaman merc would work with players

Good Lord there's so many things wrong with your posts, that I don't have the time to address them all

I know how flexible classes are. I'm not the one asking to change how my mains AA works because I'm not flexible enough to work with/around it.

I know how flexible classes are. I'm not the one asking for a paladin tank because I think wizards need a 2 in 1 merc from being inflexible.

I know how flexible classes are. I'm not the one claiming that you had to wait for a cleric to be the healer of your group back in the day and nothing else would suffice (like a Druid).

I know how flexible classes are. I'm not the one calling one of the most versatile classes useless (Enchanter).

As for stereotypes, that would be like calling Bards /melody bots. Or saying Rangers are easy to play because you just set up /autofire. I have not once dealt in stereotypes (unlike you trying to stereotype bards in a merc role). Describing classes/roles as they were designed to be is not stereotyping lol

Ah good, we agree. Your expectation is that sub-categories exist, and that's not how it works. Glad that got sorted out.

This quote (and you roflmao examples of "aggro management") tells everyone everything they need to know about how serious to take you.

You really need to go play the game and try to group with other people rather than just playing by yourself and assuming that's how things work.

This thread should continue.
It is quickly approaching Master Class in Stupidity status.
If it goes on long enough we can use it, "hey, yeah... you. Stop posting and go read this thread. That way you can absorb all the stupidity all at once."

It can be very... illuminating!
...see what I did there?

The sad part is the rampant poster who keeps 'correcting' everyone else's terms may actually think he is being smart.

You have to be more specific. There is a daily contest for such a title with numerous entries.

dont worry, he just made a new thread about it because this one is getting far to long and full of explanations why its a terrible idea.

It's probably been said already but I'm not reading seven pages to just add that if you pull mobs while a bard song is hitting you, you will get every mob you aggoed rather than just the one you are splitting off.

So, a bard merc looks like a no starter. Heck, I have human bards that forget to turn off their songs when I'm pulling and we have to deal with the mess when it happens.

But he has faith that the devs will take every human thought and action into consideration when coding them so you won't have that problem. Mercs will be better than players and this is the answer to everyone's problems!

These things will be run off of a Super Computer powered AI program that will analyze every possible scenario and solution within .1 seconds and be able to react accordingly....according to Iven that is.

A bard and shaman merc would be very welcome for solo players and beginning players. It would make soloing a lot more fun.

Tank, healer and DPS mercs are not that helpful for solo players. They take a big chunk out of your XP and they often don't speed up your kill rate enough to make up for that.

Bard are probably the most overstated class in the game. Until you have 3 dps players, adding a bard will decrease group dps. A bard increases player dps by 30-40%? A merc won't bring the rest of the ultility, and alot of it is also overwrought. Lots of classes can pull for example.
Are bards nice? Sure. Are bards anywhere near as important to a partial group as people seem to think? Nope!

and it will take 0.05 seconds for that AI to say in 17 different languages very eloquently "Ooops, mah bad, we be f#ck'd!"

It's completely opposite. Bards are the most important class in the game. If your group does not have a bard - add a bard, even if your group is an army of one.

2/10. Please try harder. While your just trying to stir up controversy out of boredom, it helps when your claims are remotely believable.

Huh?
I have a fully developed bard on each of my accounts I play with. Every group I make I always, always, ALWAYS include a bard. I have no idea how people play without a bard in their group.

Which is another way of saying that you have no good arguments. No time ? Just do not reply then as you have rarely something construcitve to add anyways.

Yeah, to many negative and agitating troll posts here, made by our favourite user. Instead of walking in his boots you could bring constructive arguments, if that is not something to hard to do for you.

I don't know your group setup, but maybe you should let the bard pull instead ?! I do wonder about that split pulling is still a thing. Low level TLP with a lot of newbies around ?

A bard merc won't be there for DPS alone, that is already the role of the two DPS mercs. In my suggestion I did put the focus onto merc suitable CC, slow, and QoL as other stuff is already covered by the existing mercs. If DPS is your only problem you better do not use healer and tank mercs and PCs from now on.

In a group, absolutely.

But we're discussing how just adding a single bard to a single character isn't all that it's hyped up to be.

The adps + dps of a bard + 1 PC is less than just adding another DPS together.

I play BST and Bard, and while I love the combo, I'd get more DPS adding in something like a Ranger or a Mage.

Now if I already had a group with a BST and a Ranger complete with healer merc + dps merc, then there'd be no better class to add than a Bard.

But adding to a single character/account, Bard still falls short

No good arguments? As I highlighted a few points and made good arguments lol. And correcting bad/mis information is constructive.

You would like my new suggestion thread then if you think that the song setup is good. Bard merc for everyone !

125 LS raid geared experienced group. We normally can handle several mobs at once but if I am pulling in a tough area with my monk, I could wind up with five on my aggro list and that's more than I want to deal with in our camp.

As for having the bard pull, this is someone's alt character, they normally play a pally. Therefore, they are not experienced at pulling and frankly don't want to pull.

None of this has anything to do with this thread which is about adding mercenary bards. So perhaps we could stick to the subject of how a mercenary bard would know I was pulling and shut down the songs so we don't get 5+ mobs in camp.

Depends on the class of that character.
On more than one occasion I was "moloing" on my mage in the past. And eventually I have started to replace my healer merc with an f2p bard - dps increase for such group is so drastically higher, that the mage can get away with just own pet heals. And the easy-box bard is just a maintenance-free addition as a healer merc. The end result - f2p bard is a better option than a healer merc. Same goes for my beastlord clearing some trash.
And my paid-for bards provide higher dps and amazing adps that it is more efficient option than a melee dps merc. Win-win-win for classes which can tank.

Right, but we're not discussing mercs. We're discussing adding another character to a single character.

Your Mage, if healing themselves, would be better off adding any other character besides a bard. The adps + dps of the bard alone in a group with just the Mage would fall shoer to another DPS class

Bard is great additiong to "groups"
Not such a great addition to "solo player"

Mage + Monk > Mage + Bard

Mage + Monk + Ranger + Bard > Mage + Monk + Ranger + Wizard

A bard requires just 1 hot-button key to press to contribute the most of its potential.
The easiest to box class. Just 1 key-press away from being a merc.
Adding any other class would require more keypresses or will be worse than a bard.

And I disagree with your math.