I see a lot of the discussions/arguments on the forums based on two different populations of players playing the same game. Competitive players versus Non-Competitive players. Now there are many ways to define these two types as there are many ways you could be considered competitive or not. And there is no black and white line. People can be competitive in some ways and not others. And I have to stress both are valid ways to play Everquest. For the purpose of this post I will say competitive are the upper tier raid guilds and those who want to play their top game to be above the average person. This is a completely valid way to play. Competitive raid guilds review parses a lot and work hard towards higher standings in completing an expansion etc. An important part of their game is getting players to improve their playing skills and when they find a weakness they work with the player to fix it or sometimes players who don't improve enough can get replaced by those who can do the job better. Getting every bit of DPS or tanking ability out of each player is part of the fun. It is part of what makes the game enjoyable. Competitive players do a lot of things to maintain their competitive edge. They always do beta for instance to figure out the best strats for raids for getting any kind of progression done as soon as possible. Non competitive players are not as driven. They may be great at playing the game but that is just for themselves they don't measure themselves against others. The fun they are getting out of the game is just not as hard core. They take a more relaxed attitude towards playing. They play the game to progress but it has to be a certain balance of effort versus fun for them. They do want to constantly improve their characters but might not be investing as much time and effort in fine tuning their play abilities. People can also drift in and out of either group nor is either group all raiders or all groupers there are many ways to be competitive. From raiding to playing the Bazaar. Even in the raiding game there are competitive raid guilds and not so competitive raid guilds. I think both groups are needed to keep Everquest going and the hardest job of all falls to the game devs trying to satisfy the gaming needs of both populations. It would also be nice that while we all promote the style of play we currently enjoy that we keep in mind that not everyone enjoys the game the same way. I am sure I can be as guilty as the next person in not keeping this in mind but I do make the attempt to do so. Someone in a a top raid guild said to me recently that they are a raider but they group too insinuating they are part of the group game. And yeah taking it down to the basics they are. But to not see they are also part of a highly competitive part of the raid game and cannot be compared to those who just group and not raid is a blind spot. I guess it is fine for us all to consider how we play the game to be THE way to play the game but in the end I don't think it does us any good. Anyway thanks to the game devs for trying to balance out the game for everyone as it is basically a job herding cats.