Tone down Brother Qwinn and Brother Zephyl

Tone down the brothers, especially, Brother Zephyl

Let me tell you why.
Doing this,
Brother Zephyl, Brother Qwinn, Ran’un, Brother Velan Torresk, and Thena Lonnes have grown in strength. They are much more dangerous.


Just encourages 6 boxer on the TLP, the 3 boxer on the TLP. People to box on the TLP. During time when its Truebox.

Those people's sole purpose is farming kronos.

Two issues I see.
You make it so its boxer stuff, sure you get a group together, these are 60s so basically people going to be feeling like their time is wasted. This is just for monks, other people they could be doing something else.
AND you gotta deal with the boxer group boxer bot that will engage in DPS race.

The price of the item is a lot of kronos because boxer or botter either one, usually a real boxer. They have it on lockdown.

People playing, the reason for Truebox is play with others, they lose vibe when they have to do things where content is BUFFED, made for boxers.

Better to tone them down. What they were originally.

Basically making the brothers grow in strength you just made it more boxer TLP. Removing the Truebox vibe. By making NPCs more boxer stuff.

Always tougher tougher tougher, learn to box.
Truebox but learn to box on TLP with truebox.

People Truebox to play with others, not looking for a boxing challenge.

Do the quest the way it was intended instead of cheesing it.

How?
https://www.eqprogression.com/monk-1-0-epic-quest/
The first option involves completing a long sub-quest
I will not be going into details on this path since Option 2, which also can be long, is more time efficient.


Ok so don't do the quest. Got it. Guide says don't waste their time explaining it, nor waste my own time trying to do the other way. Got it.

Back to the brothers.

The whole point of the thread, is not doing the brothers.
Its EQ making this game, the TLP.
More and more and more boxer boxer boxer.
While they in Truebox.

Consider boxing while Truebox rules are existing.

Why????
Brother Zephyl, Brother Qwinn, Ran’un, Brother Velan Torresk, and Thena Lonnes have grown in strength
Why????

Thats not classic, thats not OG EQ, thats 2020, turn everyone boxers EQ.

Why does this game push push push push boxer box box think about boxing, consider boxing. Tried boxing?
EQ, hrmm how can we get more $$$, make people box, lets BUFF things, so boxers can do it. So krono farmers aka majority people that box. Can do it.
Make life more and more difficult for nonraider, not so serious, not a boxer.

I am a little confused.

You say that people truebox to group with others

But you also say that having to get a bunch of people together to kill a mob is a pain and no one wants to do it.

Those things seem mutually exclusive. Either you like having to work together with people to accomplish a goal, even if that goal only benefits one person, or you don't actually like having to group with others and you want the mob easier so you can solo it without pestering anyone else. BTW, making them soloable won't stop the boxers from killing them, it will just make it easier for them to keep the mobs locked down. It is the lock down-ability of these mobs that is the problem, not the mob itself. One day they will learn that in modern days you can't count on the kindness of the community, you need to make things accessible.

I don't think anyone is really fond of the limited resources model for these signature quests. It doesn't make things harder, it just makes them more annoying.

By doing the quest? What are you failing to understand. In case you need to know what quest I'm referring to, it's Monks of The Whistling Fist.

Again, you're just trying to skip the actual quest and kill an NPC who just so happens to drop the final quest item. How about doing the actual quest and trying to enjoy the content?

Honestly I don't have a problem with boxer in Truebox.

But when you make content where its basically for boxers. Thats a nono.
Brother Zephyl, Brother Qwinn, Ran’un, Brother Velan Torresk, and Thena Lonnes have grown in strength

Why you buff Bro Z? He's just boxer content now.

You didn't read this? https://www.eqprogression.com/monk-1-0-epic-quest/
You don't actually know what the vibe is on TLP?

People go the other route, by killing the brothers, especially when they're iksars and have to do a lot of extra leg work on the very long quest, that the guide.

The guide, the best for epics.
They say, don't even think about it, don't waste my time letting you know how its done.
Go kill the brothers and get the robe that way.

You be basically putting the how it looks paper. When you play the actually its different. There is a reason why the guide says, don't waste my time on explaining the other way around.

You would say EQProgression is #1 for epics right?
They don't want their time wasted on telling you, they already know they already been there done that.
Never again them so they don't even list the other way.

The quest for the robe is pretty easy, especially considering you can walk into the tunnel and buy the items for dirt cheap (minus SK heads).

Are you aware that the guide was written by a player, like yourself, who has his own ideas about the "best" way to do the epic? You are taking a community written resource as word from God.

He basically says to never do the quests and always kill the brothers yet I have spoken to monks that have done the quest 6+ times and are selling the robes like candy. I have done the quest 3 times and like I said, its pretty easy albeit boring. You having a preference of how the quest should be done doesn't mean there is an issue with the other way.

Eq progression site provides the cheese way. Do the actual quest, you know the CLASSIC quest designed by devs and intended for players to do? You can't complain about the mobs being more powerful because it's not classic while trying to also do the non classic way of getting the Robe. It's contradictory.

If you want classic, do the quest. Otherwise, just shut up and kill the mob regardless of how powerful they became. Which news flash, characters are 100x more powerful than they were in classic so your entire argument is dumb. I don't see you crying about that? Why? Oh right, because it helped you, unlike this. You only care about classic if the change was detrimental to your end goal.

I would venture to say 90%+ of the monks with their epic on Teek probably quested the robe. Contrary to your link, the quest for the robe is quite easy.

Also, they buffed Bro Z because people were killing him the second he spawns. Now he's actually quite difficult, people have to rally help to kill him, this gives other monks time to do their turn ins.

It was a good change

Yeah 'cause making the mob easier means it will be less camped. lawl.

That's on par with the guy who thinks making a boxing server will make PLers vanish off the truebox server.

Let me say it again.
Its not so much the epic how to do it.

Its more about,
they catering to boxers.
Brother Zephyl, Brother Qwinn, Ran’un, Brother Velan Torresk, and Thena Lonnes have grown in strength
What does that do?
Makes it so boxers can only do it.

Its not about epic, its about changing the original game, pushing it more boxer.
Pushing more boxer stuff.

That eventually TLPs are going to be just as boxer focused as Live is because they keep doing these changes.

Its not about how the epic should be done, this thread is about boxers. EQ making TLPs more focused for boxers.

I dislike that. Especially Truebox.

Its already going to be 24/7 just like other camps.
Only difference is you gotta be boxing for this.

Because getting a bunch of randoms or guildies to do this, its wasting their time. Especially when they doing something people will engage into DPS race with you.

So boxer specifically setup for dps, specifically tweaked to do this. They going to outdo you.
Those people you brought they going to flustered and ticked off it does no one any good.

Then that content, its just boxer thing.

So only boxers win. Thats not EQ. At least not the original EQ.

Just stop. You're so unbelievably wrong.

Goto the Rathe Mountains, tell me whose camping. Boxer right. Exactly.

do we tone down monks to?

The problem is that goal only benefits the monk in the group. Yes you can find altruistic players like that, but it isn't the reason players look for a group to go dungeon grinding.

Doing things that only help one person in your group even if it does nothing for you is one of the core tenets of EQ. Consider it altruistic self service. When you help someone else they owe you and you can get them to help you with that thing you need to do that takes a group but only benefits you. Get rid of that and what game are you actually playing anymore.

You don't quite understand the situation.

You are looking at it like textbook and everything is nice and roses.

Picture this.
I need 5 people to come with me to camp Bro Z.
4 hours later he has not spawned.
1 hour after that, he spawned.

You let everyone know gather up its time to kill.

Boxer comes in bard speed lvl 60, tweak gear all around.
sends a tell to you leave

you try to outdps them, but your group one person is doing something else while waiting, maybe 1 other person is afk. Or maybe you ready but you get outdps outright. Even though you had 20 second head start
They took the kill.

Now you wait 6 hours again, could be 12 hours.
Could maybe not spawn with robe.

It only benefits the monk, those other people, are ticked they lost the dps race. They ticked they spent 12 hours just camping. They ticked they lost the dps race twice. They ticked the boxer is still in zone.

They ticked hearing.
wts robe 8 kronos

knowing they got beat by a boxer.

Everything is fine and roses. helping people is core of EQ.

Yes no doubt.

But you fail to see the reality here.
Once that boxer comes, bard speed super fast, all their characters engage dishing out big dps, once you see that, it will wake you up, you'll start seeing a different picture.

If it takes you FIVE hours to spawn Bro Q then your problem is something else entirely. You shouldn't even ask people to come to SK until you found the the PH.

You seem to be forgetting that the quest route is for a SOLO player to achieve a robe. The killing route is for a player that has access to boxes and friends to help them when they need. You are CHOOSING to attempt the non-solo method while being solo and are surprised it isn't working out.

Do the robe quest the other way. It'll be faster. The "shortcut" is for those folks who have the friends/boxes to get it done, if that isn't you there is another alternative. You may not like that alternative, but it exists. Making the mob easier isn't going to stop the boxer from KSing you before you can kill it.

I think its not that it helps someone else, its spending dev time on a the most OP class of its era. Monks on TLP put live SKs to shame.