Teek and Anniversary Tower - a Lose/Lose?

What aspects of the game do these items actually invalidate? People still need to raid, they still need to group, nothing has actually changed except maybe I'm wearing a tower cloak when we one shot Phara Dar instead of a heiro cloak. Isn't going to change how the fight plays out, these fights are all beatable with half the raid in cloth armor. There is very little actual impact to the over all gameplay in these items. I suppose if they leave a bad taste in your mouth that is something. Maybe just pretend they aren't there?

Put lvl 61 requirement on current tower gear

add in era-appropriate 55+ gear

If you aren't purposely being obtuse then I simply feel sorry for you.

I am not. Yes, I get that the items are higher power than anything else available but what is the actual impact on gameplay? Are guilds skipping raids because no one needs the gear? Are people not farming fungi's and VP keys and all the other items they always farm on these servers? How is it actually negatively impact the over all gameplay?

You set up a perfect example. One of the most sought after items in Kunark off of Phara Dar - Shroud of Veeshan now goes to alts? Every single previous BiS item of the slots that are replaced with soloable tower gear is obsoleted/goes to twinks. It is 5 items now, by the time Luclin drops it will be 9 at the rate of 1 piece added a month. Literally half the raid drops of top end encounters will be going to alts, as the tower gear is far superior (not to mention any req level 55+ raid gear of those slots is best /deleted).

Did people stop killing PD? Or do they still kill her for other items? I don't have a problem with items that were BiS no longer being BiS. They were always going to be replaced anyway. I have a problem with it if it massively changes how people play the game or causes them to quit in mass numbers. I am not seeing that here. People are still grouping, people are still raiding. Alts are getting loot. All is good.

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Myself and many others play for the challenge of filling out their character with good gear while leveling. Making half the in era gear previously sought after obsolete takes away half the fun of the grind for gear. Maybe it would be more apparent and obvious if the tower had 18 of the 20 slots of gear so you had a measely 2 more slots to fill out (imagine the DKP spent on those slots). It's not there yet but 9/20 coming before Luclin is BAD for the game.

It'll be fine.

Oh noooooo a few of the once extremely desired items will no longer be fought over by everyone but instead only the people who don't partake in the Tower gear... what ever will I doooooo... I sure hope nothing else happens to make my life easier.

Just keep it as it is.. Genius!

It's not just "a few BiS" items it obsoletes. It's every group and raid item of that slot replaced by a soloable tower item that is 2x as good. Here is a list of raid items alone it obsoletes through Velious.
This list will double in size by the time Luclin drops when more and more tower items come out.

<---- Get ready to /delete or /twink all of these raid items and dozens of other group items. --->
Triumphant Mask
Icebelt
Pauldrons of Power
Skinner's Belt
Brewer's Mesh Cloak
Cloak of Scales
Bloodstar Pendant
Darkbrood Mask
Sode of Empowerment
Weight of the Gods
Tobrin's Mystical Eyepatch
Poisoned Mantle
Cloak of Piety
Necklace of Superiority
Bile Etched Obsidian Choker
Pauldrons of Ferocity
Eye of Cazic Thule
Cloak of the Fearsome
First Brood Talisman
Zlandicar's Talisman
Frostreaver's Embroidered Cloak
Cloak of the Falling Stars
Flayed Barbarian Hide Mask
Girdle of Living Thorns
Mask of the Dragon Slayer
Yelinak's Talisman
Clandestine Veil of M`Rata
Despondent Shroud
Fascia Secundae
Fedora Secundae
Dragon Scaled Mask
Melodic Charm
Runed Fang Necklace
Shadow Fang Necklace
Amulet of the Dreadgazer
Mask of the Sky
Cloak of the Sky
Cloak of Venom
Mask of Venom
Shawl of Perception
Cloak of Thorns
Mask of Terror
Silver Girdle of Stability
Amulet of the Storm
Ancient Pirate's Eyepatch
Net of the Deep Sea
Pauldrons of Blight
Transparent Eyepatch
Akkirus' Mask of Warfare
Viik's Pauldrons of Pain
Valtron's Necklace of Wonder
Ssra's Bloodstone Eyepatch

/who all cares

Not everyone has, or will have, access to those items. It's EQ's 25th anniversary. You were all told the tower would be available on these servers and you still chose to play on them. Let it go, let it gooooooooooooooooo.....

That is just a list of the BiS items and all of the items the BiS items make obsolete. How many people are quitting over this? I'm betting only a handful, and they were probably going to quit over something before Velious anyway.

Those tower fights are probably some of the hardest fights a lot of EQ TLP rerollers have ever encountered. Certainly harder than killing PD with 72 people.

Yes, this tower gear is so much more difficult and time consuming to get then forming a high level raid, clearing VP and killing PD so that 10% of the raid gets an item and can only be done once a week. I'm done...

Restricted access does not make a thing hard. Just makes it restricted. And on a Random Loot server it isn't even that restricted.

You don't look more the a step down the road. Early PoP gear in the Kunark era after "defiant gear" was pulled for being to overpowered. By the time the gear becomes out dated the server will almost be at the end of PoP, and the tower will have all 12 items. The items will then be level 65. That's 12 items that will be scaled to Anguish level gear. For the first year and a half of the servers life the tower gear is BiS. I got the tower keys from a friend and did all of them in about 5 mins with a level 2 mage.

Tower gear has obliterated a lot of gear and it's going to get worse as more comes out. People will kill "end game stuff" once to say they did it. Then kill the easiest stuff with the random loot in splits. This is going to murder the economy in about 4-5 months.

There is still a total of 20 slots in that era of the game and players will still need to fill the slots that don't have items from the tower. While it does completely replace a lot of item as of now it only replaces 5 of them and it will be another 7 patches before we are able to get all the items from the tower.

Frankly, I think having it in is a pleasant change from them giving us access to stuff like this long after it has become irrelevant. It will spice up this round of TLPs.

The economy will be fine, random loot TLPs always have a ton of useless items for sale in the baz for pennies, this will be no different. People were always going to raid the easiest mobs with maximum splits, that's how random loot TLPs work. The sky is not falling.

Yeah 20 slots with 12 not needing to be filled (most likely visible armor.) this means that by PoP 80% if not more of the gear that drops will be worthless. Up to OoW.

It's pleasant change to handed BiS gear? They may as well add the buff command from the yes server. Just log in an bam your max level with gear that will keep you good for a year. Then you can just keep doing it every 10 levels.

There are 2 people when it comes to the tower.
1) those that don't like OP gear being easily obtainable as it diminished what the game is
2) people that are in sweaty guilds and are using advantage of it to push through content to make money off it

I can guess which one you are.