Dedication doesn't just mean raiding though on Off-hours. Dedication means raiding on off-normal days. Current EQ is a 2 day a week, or 3 day a week farm experience. Long gone are the top guilds who raided 4-5-6 days a week. Partly a factor not enough content, Partly the fact the average player age is skewed older. IL beat Event 4: 11/23 (2nd) -- 10 days after event 3 Triton beat Event 4: 11/25 (3rd) --- 9 days after event 3 Shadows beat Event 4: 11/30 (4th) -- 13 days after event 3 Being within 1 week of each other. Is there any way to tell, which guild actually beat Event 4 in the smallest number of attempts? We can go by the dates to say IL won before Triton before Shadows. But we have never had any way of telling if Triton didn't before shadows, because Shadows took off for Thanksgiving sooner. Or if Triton tried event 4 6 out of 9 days, while Shadows weren't as dedicated but only tried 3 days out of 13. And IL tried 8 our of 10. This isn't a New Issue incidently. It's always been a flaw of the way we rank guilds. That unless you are Way ahead of another group, like ROI is. Or IL/Triton/Shadows are to next group. ROV/MS/Silent. it's hard to know unless the game ever implemented an LON style "win and loss" counter.