Tanking TBM Group and Raids, HDex vs HAgi

Discussion in 'Tanks' started by Tucoh, Jan 12, 2016.

  1. Sirene_Fippy Okayest Bard

    I did more parses like Goodurden's (link) with a TBM group geared ENC on Live & Test.
    1 - ENC with 838 HAGI, 122 Avoidance, no shield
    2 - ENC with 810 HAGI, 73 Avoidance, no shield
    = 49 Avoidance difference

    Updated results:

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    I noticed some issues - the value I had thought before for Avoidance % (0.09% or ~0.1% Miss every 10 Avoidance) doesn't hold up for the ENC parses. In fact the ENC sees double the same Miss % for gaining Avoidance (0.18% per 10 Avoidance) as the WAR does. Another problem is that the ENC having > 800 HAGI does not avoid (Miss) as much as the warrior with only 566 HAGI (ENC=18% vs WAR=19.57%). After a bit of thinking I decided the avoidance was probably more like Avoidance AC calculation, if we were to use two different classes (WAR vs ENC).

    Avoidance AC equation from Dzarn's post about AC:

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    If you calculate the Avoidance AC for WAR and ENC in each parse (in above table), it more clearly shows Miss % as a function of Avoidance AC:

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    According to the graph, ~70 Avoidance AC nets you 1% Miss. Avoidance as a bonus stat should only be taken into consideration as a part of Avoidance AC. Item Avoidance is 1:1 for Avoidance AC returns, but overall it is only a small portion of your total. You get ~22% of your HAGI or AGI as Avoidance AC, and 177% of your Defense skill. In other words,

    10 Avoidance AC = 10 Item Avoidance = 45 AGI or HAGI = 5.625 Defense = 0.14% Miss

    Also:
    • 10 Defense skill (Alaran Tear) = 17.78 Avoidance AC = 0.25% Miss
    • AGI tribute (Symphony of the Rabbit 12, Dance of the Hero 10, Trophy of Dreams) = 24 + 20 + 18 = 13.78 Avoidance AC = 0.2% Miss
    • +400 HAGI = 89 Avoidance AC = 1.27% Miss
    This doesn't take Combat Agility into account, so some of the difference between WAR and ENC may be caused by Physical Enhancement (5% chance to avoid melee, which ENC doesn't get).
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  2. josh Augur

    Correct me if I'm wrong or am just missing it but it seems like you are ignoring the hagi/10 part of the avoidance ac calculation. should be more like

    10 avoidance ac = 10 item avoidance = 45 agi = 31 hagi = 5.625 defense = .14% miss

    I don't know if my change is exactly right but it would be something like that i think.
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  3. Sirene_Fippy Okayest Bard

    Nice catch, you are completely right.

    Here's the fixed table/graph:

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    I added a 2nd trendline for the ENC since it's not the same scale as the WAR. My conclusion is that... more ENC HAGI parses are needed. :p But I can't gear the ENC out any more than I have, will have to leave that to the pro ENCs. It's interesting that the WAR avoids more for the 566 HAGI parse (19.57%) than the ENC with higher mitigation AC. This might be because of Physical Enhancement.
  4. Tucoh Augur

    bump for bladebro