Given rogues have had a "rog only piercer" itemisation slot for some time, and been balanced (hah!) around it, we seem to have got stitched up with T4 as we have no rog only piercer except for the quested one, meaning zero choice. It also means we can't do the quest dagger AND have another T4 dagger. The issue stems from the ratios between rog only and rog+others daggers being 4% of so between them and less than 4% gap between tiers. The next expansion appears to be announced with very little itemisation growth, which may mean the rog only one is again the only viable choice. An example: 108/20 (5.40) T1 war,rog,brd,rng,bst dagger 108/20 (5.40) T1 war,rog,brd,rng,bst dagger 113/20 (5.65) T1 rog dagger 111/20 (5.55) T2 war,rog,brd,rng,bst dagger 110/19 (5.79) T2 rog dagger 107/19 (5.63) T3 war,rog,brd,rng,bst dagger - weaker than T1 dagger 111/19 (5.84) T3 rog dagger (seriously, 110 to 111?) 110/19 (5.79) T4 war,rog,brd,rng,bst dagger - identical to T2 dagger 114/19 (6.00) T4 quest reward So unless we want to do all the hero quests (some many times other) then basically T4 offers us something equivalent to T2 raid dropped dagger. I exaggerate a bit, the backstab component is better, but even so that's for MH only (we do have two hands to equip afterall) and it's also still not a huge change. Compare it to berserker 2Her ratios: 8.031 T2 2hp 8.029 T2 2hs 8.033 T2 2hb 8.588 T3 2hp 8.600 T3 2hs 8.813 T4 2hp 8.800 T4 2hs quest reward So they have a perfectly viable setup (remember they only need 1 weapon) without the quest reward, and the quested one is basically identical ratio. Rangers have choices of T4 non-quested weaponry that is comparable in dps. Monks however appear to be in the same boat - T4 quest or nothing at all. Although monks as a class aren't hurting right now, why is it so random with some classes basically being forced to do the long quest while others don't have to?