Shaman DPS potential

Discussion in 'Priests' started by Mehdisin Mahn, Sep 2, 2019.

  1. Mehdisin Mahn Augur

    So, just for discussion.... in current raid content, what is a shaman's dps potential over say a 15 minute, single raid boss fight? assuming the shaman is doing little to no healing,
    other things i'd like to know:
    - how many debuff slots does it take?
    - what AA / ADPS / spells were used?
    - mana pool necessary to maintain the damage over the full window

    I've seen someone top 350k on a parse, but they were using both their own and their neighbors kitchen sinks (even hit rabid bear and were swingin' on the mob)…. and I think the fight was around 10 minutes rather than 15. so you could say i'm curious.
  2. chocster Journeyman

    Do not speak of such things,
    Spoken words of the true power of Shaman DPS potential leads to nerfs.
  3. Szilent Augur

    The meleeing you mention as a "kitchen sink" add-on isn't such a throwaway. Depending on group makeup (in particular ranger & rogue teammates with Synergy AAs), meleeing for procs is a really real thing.

    From a million-dps 2 minute battle a couple months ago:
    /GU Seneschal Radiant Propensity in 135s, 4,569.4m @33847595sdps | #10 Shaman + pets 129.7m@960.7k sdps (1,021.2k dps in 127s)

    the shaman's top nuke was rogue Synergy, contributing 4.3M, 34k dps (the crit% will have been boosted by Auspice full time on this duration):

    Blackguard's Synergy Strike III Chromatic 4292295 20.0 3.4 34338.4 17 17 17 100.0 10 58.8 0 0.0 245760 252487 257902
    Feral Bite XI Disease 3962398 18.5 3.2 31699.2 15 15 15 100.0 7 46.7 0 0.0 235724 264159 296180
    Arms of Holy Wrath VI Magic 3793647 17.7 3.0 30349.2 45 45 45 100.0 22 48.9 9 20.0 76798 84303 170909
    Dissident Roar Strike 6 Chromatic 3634753 17.0 2.9 29078.0 27 27 27 100.0 12 44.4 6 22.2 123558 134620 219659

    The lion's share of damage of course came from Fleeting Spirit twinned dots. Poisons, Magics, and Diseases(breath & pandemic, not affliction)
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  4. chocster Journeyman

    Joined the 1Billion damage club on ToV T3 raids.
    - Druid, Bard, beastie, ranger, zerker, in group
    - Yes I was swinging
    - Yes I throw everything and the kitchen sink at it when I am able to DPS
    - Yes, Shamans can throw SERIOUS raid DPS
    - Yes, contrary to others, there are some events that we can "Let if Fly" and not hurt the raid healing
    needs.
    * 828 casts/received on parse
    * a spec over 1Billion damage
    * 7.27% damage
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  5. Nylrem Augur

    This is from an alt raid, with like 42 in raid. Most/all lacking top raid gear, focuses, etc.

    Probably not the best raid to use to choose for shaman parse, because of the damage mitigation, but isn't a lot of events where shaman doesn't heal a lot, for us, on alt raids. Does show that shaman is capable of sustaining with the best of DPS though.

    /GU Combined: A velium sentry (19), Combined: An unstable velium sentry (11), Combined: A velium custodian (2), Combined: Servant of the Sleeper (1) in 1331s, 5,308.9m @3988685 |

    Necromancer + pets@426.1k | Magician + pets@360.1k | Shaman + pets@320.7k | Berserker + pets@282.0k | Druid + pets@233.6k | Magician + pets@227.5k | Monk@196.7k | Rogue@160.8k | Beastlord + pets@159.3k | Beastlord + pets@158.2k | Ranger + pets@151.7k | Ranger@148.2k | Bard + pets@140.5k | Rogue@130.5k | Magician + pets@108.9k ...
  6. Nylrem Augur

    Alt raid, again...

    /GU Combined: A shivering dire wolf (18), Combined: A restless Kromrif (11), Combined: A restless dire wolf (5), Combined: Narandi the Restless (4), Combined: Huntmaster Grondo (1) in 1446s, 10,403.1m @7194431 |

    Druid + pets@509.9k | Necromancer + pets@485.8k | Shaman + pets@445.5k | Magician + pets@399.6k | Monk@398.3k | Magician + pets@371.2k | Rogue@369.6k | Beastlord + pets@324.8k | Ranger + pets@323.3k | Rogue@314.4k | Magician + pets@306.8k | Monk@276.1k | Bard + pets@239.3k | Beastlord + pets@2 ...
  7. Nylrem Augur

    /GU Combined: Griklor the Restless (11), Combined: A cursed dervish (11), Combined: A haunted Ry`Gorr (3), Combined: A restless Ry`Gorr (1), Combined: An icebound dervish (1) in 1441s, 10,032.4m @6962129 |

    Berserker + pets@591.2k | Rogue@426.8k | Necromancer + pets@393.5k | Rogue@386.1k | Druid + pets@382.0k | Monk@378.5k | Shaman + pets@361.7k | Magician + pets@359.6k | Ranger@296.5k | Magician + pets@253.4k | Beastlord + pets@252.3k | Monk@240.0k | Ranger + pets@236.9k | Berserker + pets@219.7k | Ba ...
  8. Nylrem Augur

    Here's the spells cast during the GD raid for that shaman, notice, still lotsa heals cast...

    Combined: A shivering dire wolf (18), Combined: A restless Kromrif (11), Combined: A restless dire wolf (4), Combined: Narandi the Restless (4), Combined: Mandrikai (1) on 5/14/2020
    Turung - 392
    --- Ancestral Aid XXXIV - 2
    --- Ancestral Guard XLVI - 2
    --- Ancestral Guardian Spirit IX - 1
    --- Call of the Ancients XIX - 1
    --- Cannibalization XVIII - 9
    --- Chaotic Poison Rk. II - 26
    --- Circle of Power IV - 1
    --- Dissident Roar - 18
    --- Elkikatar's Pandemic - 25
    --- Evil Eye Rk. II - 36
    --- Fleeting Spirit (Decay) VII - 1
    --- Forceful Rejuvenation - 1
    --- Glyph of Arcane Secrets V - 1
    --- Glyph of Destruction V - 1
    --- Glyph of Dragon Scales V - 1
    --- Group Perfected Levitation - 1
    --- Intensity of the Resolute - 1
    --- Invoke Pact of the Wolf XIV - 1
    --- Malaise IX - 11
    --- Marlek's Curse Rk. II - 21
    --- Mass Group Buff - 1
    --- Potion - Crystal Mana Tonic - 1
    --- Potion - Restless Focus - 1
    --- Primordial Intervention Rk. II - 1
    --- Prophet's Gift of the Ruchu - 8
    --- Rabid Bear XII - 2
    --- Received Auspice of the Hunter - 4
    --- Received Bard Epic - 7
    --- Received Bestial Alignment - 2
    --- Received Commanding Voice - 30
    --- Received Dissident Fury - 1
    --- Received Fists of Wu - 53
    --- Received Paragon - 5
    --- Received Quick Time - 2
    --- Received Ruaabri's Fury - 1
    --- Received Shaman Epic - 6
    --- Reckless Rejuvenation Rk. II - 3
    --- Reckless Renewal Rk. II - 3
    --- Resurrection - 3
    --- Silent Casting V - 1
    --- Slain - 1
    --- Spectre of Renewal Rk. II - 32
    --- Spire of Ancestors XII - 3
    --- Spirit Call XXX - 4
    --- Spiritual Channeling V - 1
    --- Spiritual Squall Rk. II - 87
    --- Staunch Recovery - 1
    --- Svartmane's Affliction Rk. II - 17
    --- Turgur's Swarm VI - 19
    --- Turgur's Virulent Swarm X - 3
    --- Union of Spirits XXVIII - 1
    --- Unity of the Kromrif - 4
    --- Wind of Malaise VI - 11
    --- Wintry Gift Rk. II - 12
    --- Zrelik's Recourse Rk. II - 14
    Produced by GamParse v2.0.0.98 BETA
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  9. Szilent Augur

    hmm. 1446 is 24 minutes of battling. not a terrible lot of downtime, based on the Spirit Call & Ruchu counts.

    Turung - 392
    dps
    --- Chaotic Poison Rk. II - 26
    --- Dissident Roar - 18
    --- Elkikatar's Pandemic - 25
    --- Evil Eye Rk. II - 36
    --- Fleeting Spirit (Decay) VII - 1
    --- Glyph of Destruction V - 1
    --- Intensity of the Resolute - 1
    --- Marlek's Curse Rk. II - 21
    --- Rabid Bear XII - 2
    --- Spire of Ancestors XII - 3
    --- Spirit Call XXX - 4
    --- Svartmane's Affliction Rk. II - 17


    heals & supports
    --- Primordial Intervention Rk. II - 1
    --- Prophet's Gift of the Ruchu - 8
    --- Reckless Rejuvenation Rk. II - 3
    --- Reckless Renewal Rk. II - 3
    --- Spectre of Renewal Rk. II - 32
    --- Spiritual Squall Rk. II - 87
    --- Unity of the Kromrif - 4
    --- Wintry Gift Rk. II - 12
    --- Zrelik's Recourse Rk. II - 14

    +stuff

    14/13 spell gems used, 299 total spells cast for ~12.5/minute

    Notably, grouped with bard who didn't *quite* match up epics with epics. Received 4 Auspice, but that version of GamParse wouldn't note if he was grouped with one of the two rangers to benefit from Scarlet Cheetah.

    nice parse :)
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  10. Nylrem Augur

    I just wanted to point out... that it's doable for either 'other' priest to consistently make top 10 on a DPS parse...

    CLERICS NEED DPS UPGRADES TO MAKE THEM MORE DESIRABLE in groups!!!

    Intervention/Contravention swapping, even with Turn Undead once every 3 min, ain't cutting it.

    Need some serious boosts to cleric DPS stuff.

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