Shadowed Speed (122 disc)

I am unsure if I am missing something here; I just parsed Shadowed Speed vs Twisted Chance since they share the same timer, and TC came out significantly ahead. I cant say I am super surprised, but it feels weird that a 65 discipline is still supreme.

On top of that, I parsed it against knifeplay, and even THAT out parsed Shadowed Speed. So am I missing something here? Is there functionality I just dont understand? I am not a raider, so maybe there is some combo of something or other making it shine, but I dont see it.

I didnt do super extensive testing, just auto-attack + backstab for nothing, TC, then SS. When considering SS has twice the cooldown, it seems extremely worthless. I doubt the rk 2-3 would make up that vast of a difference.

You aren't missing anything.

Speed disc is a noob trap, brought to devs attention 100s of times, met with silence each time. All they gotta do is move it to an unused timer or delete it from existence.

Thats what I figured. Had to get a second opinion to make sure I didnt overlook something.

I am a little salty about the throwing discs too, when they dont have access to any throwing items that would make those discs even remotely viable.

I use the original VDT - yes, the one from Underfoot - to break my mez when I'm pulling. That's it. I don't even buy that line. Didn't buy the shadowed speed crap, either.
As Cadira said, we've brought it up every time they make one of these, and tell them they can pry Twisted Chance from our cold dead fingers, but they don't listen.

Twisted Chance in a raid situation is generally worthless. You have capped crit rate and 99% accuracy as is. The main problem is that the uptime on Strike Fury from Etherium Strikes is so high that the SPA182 from Shadowed Speed is pretty crap as well. Oftentimes it is better to just hold TC for when Auspice runs out if you don't have enough rangers to cover the spread.

All-in-all Shadowed Speed will actually be a boost over TC in raid situations if the raid is shorter (depending on the dps strength of your raid), or your raid force has enough rangers. However, it's still quite bad, and could at least use an upgrade to be significantly better than Etherium Strikes (or just get rid of the 182 on Etherium and buff general rogue dps output, so adps or burns on SPA182 actually do something).

Twisted Chance is absolutely better in group or solo content for sustained dps. There's no arguing with that.

You are the only rogue I have ever heard say that TC is trash in raids. Ever.

AND, lets not forget that if you have Shadowed Speed running and Forage/Hide/Sneak etc. you hit yourself with the Shadowed Speed Shock.

I mean, if you want to work bandaging skill up, I guess it's kind of useful but otherwise the base 23.5k hits (which can proc multiple times at once and crit) can add up.

I don't see how this is not a bug.

https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq...elf-on-successful-forage.294638/#post-4267403

hah, that's fun